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Old 05-04-2011, 07:25 PM
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Why don't you try commenting on the subject, instead of trying to start fights with the posters by insulting their intelligence?
How did I insult inteligence?

And I'm not starting fights, just pointing out the country both of you seem to want to give the benefit of the doubt to is largely filled with men that would be considered animals by American standards.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:32 PM
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How did I insult inteligence?

And I'm not starting fights, just pointing out the country both of you seem to want to give the benefit of the doubt to is largely filled with men that would be considered animals by American standards.
I never said anything remotely concerned with that. You really need to stop assuming and then posting what you think people think about things they don't post about. You misstate and misunderstand constantly, and irritatingly. I have said nothing about what "doubt" I do or do not give to Pakistan. Nothing at all.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:37 PM
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I never said anything remotely concerned with that. You really need to stop assuming and then posting what people think about things they don't post about. You misstate constantly.
OK sorry to group you with Somer in this case. Glad you disagree with his hope.

BTW What's amazing about the SEAL job is not one child was harmed (by us growing up locked in a compound?) and the wife was shot in the leg hopefully to knock her down and get the perfect 2 group to bin Laden's head. Would have been dead center but he made a move and the SEAL led him a little too far. IMA
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:46 PM
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the seals did a great job-the firefight didn't last much time at all; the majority of the approximate 40 mins involved was for search and seizure after the gunfight. can't help but wonder how much useful info was brought back for further investigating....hard drives, cell phones, bank records, plans. ought to be a treasure trove of info.

as for pakistan-they're doing their best to keep everyone happy. us, their citizens who hate us, their citizens who want an islamic theocracy, those who don't.....not surprised that bin laden was there, and i won't be surprised to find that some paki higher ups were helping him stay in hiding.

a masterful job; props to obama for going with the seal attack rather than the bombing that gates favored. not much info to be found and brought back when everything gets blown to kingdom come.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:36 PM
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as for pakistan-they're doing their best to keep everyone happy. us, their citizens who hate us, their citizens who want an islamic theocracy, those who don't.....not surprised that bin laden was there, and i won't be surprised to find that some paki higher ups were helping him stay in hiding.
Pretty good summation. Now we get to deal with the equally ugly reality that is Karzai screaming we need to get out of his country.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:43 PM
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no doubt karzai is taking a lot of heat-he wants to stay in power, but probably doesn't want to appear as a u.s. puppet. afganistan is a mess; it was mishandled and shunted aside for iraq's sake, now it's just appearing to be an endless quagmire. people are talking about having discussions with the taliban- i don't see us agreeing to that. we need to get the heck out of there, that situation will probably never improve.
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Old 05-04-2011, 10:01 PM
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no doubt karzai is taking a lot of heat-he wants to stay in power, but probably doesn't want to appear as a u.s. puppet. afganistan is a mess; it was mishandled and shunted aside for iraq's sake, now it's just appearing to be an endless quagmire. people are talking about having discussions with the taliban- i don't see us agreeing to that. we need to get the heck out of there, that situation will probably never improve.
Ditto. We've fallen into what the Russians went through. It's tribal, it's unregulated - let the rest of the middle east, and Putin, worry about it. The only inroad we've made is to get some villagers on our side, because we'll pay them more than the Taliban will. And that will only last as long as the money flows. Let it just be the heroin capital of the world.

PS - I've never read any of Shelby Foote's civil war stuff, but I'm aware of it - what's the best one to start with?
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the seals did a great job-the firefight didn't last much time at all; the majority of the approximate 40 mins involved was for search and seizure after the gunfight. can't help but wonder how much useful info was brought back for further investigating....hard drives, cell phones, bank records, plans. ought to be a treasure trove of info.

as for pakistan-they're doing their best to keep everyone happy. us, their citizens who hate us, their citizens who want an islamic theocracy, those who don't.....not surprised that bin laden was there, and i won't be surprised to find that some paki higher ups were helping him stay in hiding.

a masterful job; props to obama for going with the seal attack rather than the bombing that gates favored. not much info to be found and brought back when everything gets blown to kingdom come.
stop being so reasonable. the internet is an extension of the shout-fest that passes for media these days. if i were steve, i'd ban you.

no one wants to hear a nuanced opinion anymore. people shouting at each other is where the money is.

you stupid ****.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:55 PM
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stop being so reasonable. the internet is an extension of the shout-fest that passes for media these days. if i were steve, i'd ban you.

no one wants to hear a nuanced opinion anymore. people shouting at each other is where the money is.

you stupid ****.

lol
nice quote by the way! as an aside, the third shelby foote is going well.
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lol
nice quote by the way! as an aside, the third shelby foote is going well.
you're a better person than i. it's sits shamefully on my bookshelf with a nearly unbroken spine.
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Hell if you think about it, it's the perfect final f*** you by Bin Laden. By making sure when we do get him he's right under the Pakkies nose and so we come down hard on them. Even if they didn't know he was there (and I can't see how they couldn't) it is brilliant.
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