Most Impressive World Record

Thunder Gulch · #1 10-21-2006, 09:42 PM

Bid or Dr. Fager because those records have withstood the test of time on commonly run distances. While Secretariat's record was certainly stunning, there just aren't many chances for that record to be bested.

Round Pen · #2 10-22-2006, 06:22 AM

To me it will always be Secretariat. Reason being here is a horse that went through the rigors of the Triple Crown Races and still on Belmont Day put in (IMO) the greatest performance of all time.

Five Star Derek · #3 10-22-2006, 07:52 AM

Spectacular Bid's 10 furlong performance was the best to me. Maybe I'm biased because I got the chance to see him on the backstretch a number of times as a kid along with a number of races. He was a machine who could put on devastating performances at a number of distances. Best horse never to win a Triple Crown. His 7 furlong performance that was recently broken because of a souped up track was also an incredible performance.

avance2000 · #4 10-22-2006, 08:09 AM

8f……..Dr Fager……………...4……..134…….AP, 24-Aug-68……....1:32 1

i think secretariat was the best racehorse there ever was.....but to me dr. fager's record is the most impressive.
how many horses in the last 38 years have run a race at 8f? i'm guessing millions.....and most of them were not carrying 134 lbs.......yet his record still stands.

avance2000 · #5 10-22-2006, 08:10 AM

by the way......really good idea for a thread.

Revolution · #6 10-22-2006, 08:19 AM

If Dr. Fager's record is so impressive how come he shares it with Najran, who wasn't exactly a superhorse?

Secretariats record is all by itself.

Kasept · #7 10-22-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

If Dr. Fager's record is so impressive how come he shares it with Najran, who wasn't exactly a superhorse?

Huh? So impressive? For starters, no one equalled it between 1968 and 2003. I guess there weren't too many dirt miles run in those 35 years...

Najran was no Dr. Fager, but he was VERY fast, and when really right, in 2003, exceptionally fast. In addition to his 1:32.1 mile, he also ripped a 1:08.1 6f in the Phoenix. And as an aside, Fager's record came carrying 132, Najhran 113.

Denegrating Fager's record by associating it negatively with Najran is illogical. Fager's record and performance level is basically without parallel in American racing history.

Danzig · #8 10-22-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

If Dr. Fager's record is so impressive how come he shares it with Najran, who wasn't exactly a superhorse?

Secretariats record is all by itself.

yeah, i'll bet najran was carrying the same weight too.....

i'd take the docs and the bids. had spectacular bid run 12 that day, secs record would have gone down.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #9 10-22-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

If Dr. Fager's record is so impressive how come he shares it with Najran, who wasn't exactly a superhorse?

Secretariats record is all by itself.

Sometimes the tracks are souped up on different days, therefore, allowing an inferior horse to set track records. Of course, the combination of the track being souped up and Najran running his heart out could have equalled Dr. Fager's record. How come all of the great horses who have run at 8 furlongs couldn't beat or equal Dr. Fager's record? Also, Dr. Fager was carrying 134 pounds.

Also, Spectacular Bid was a better horse than Secretariat IMO. Secretariat never came close to SB's mile and a quarter record. The mile and a quarter distance is the most important distance for classic horses. That is why both the Kentucky Derby and the Breeder's Cup Classic are run at that distance in addition to the Hollywood Gold Cup, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Santa Anita Handicap, Pacific Classic, Travers, and Suburban. An argument for Secretariat would be that he still holds the track and stakes record at Churchill Downs. Of course, SB remains in a league of his own as a four year old still today. No horse could have matched SB as a four year old. None. He proved that by setting numerous records, having a walk-over, and going out undefeated for his four year old year. A phenomenal racehorse...

Of course, I don't think that any horse could have matched Secretariat in his three year old year either...

Cajungator26 · #10 10-22-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by avance2000

8f……..Dr Fager……………...4……..134…….AP, 24-Aug-68……....1:32 1

i think secretariat was the best racehorse there ever was.....but to me dr. fager's record is the most impressive.
how many horses in the last 38 years have run a race at 8f? i'm guessing millions.....and most of them were not carrying 134 lbs.......yet his record still stands.

I agree...

Pedigree Ann · #11 10-22-2006, 12:16 PM

I didn't see Cougar II's 11f in 2:11:0 on your list. Yes, it was on turf, but it was the fastest recorded at the distance on any surface at the time. All hail His Felinity!

kentuckyrosesinmay · #12 10-22-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Bid or Dr. Fager because those records have withstood the test of time on commonly run distances.

I agree with this and would like to add that Dr. Fager was carrying 134 pounds when he set the record at the mile.

However, I also agree with Round Pen for the reasons that he stated about Secretariat.

I can't really decide which is the best of these three. Three great world records set by three great horses. Of course, if I was made to decide, I would probably have to go with Spectacular Bid because he was the best of all of these horses overall IMO.