Dubbya continues to amaze

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Revolution

It still is a great country. I can't stand the President, but I can't stand the people that root against our country either. It is almost as disgusting as a president lying all the time.

I hate to say it, but your post has all the signs of a person that is a divider not a uniter. You people that choose sides disgust me. It is almost like you care more about your party than your country.

How anyone can be a registered democrat or republican is beyond me. People need to learn to think for themselves.

Revolution, I didn't see anything in DTS's post that was ranting against the US-- it was ranting against the war in Iraq and our failure in Afghanistan and our failure in stopping drugs coming into the country-- how is that ranting against the USA itself? If people weren't willing to stand up and say, "This is for sh*t" we'd have no workplace protections, blacks and women and non-property owners wouldn't be voting and industrial corporations would still be legally dumping toxins into rivers (legally, anyway). Dissent is one of the most patriotic things a person can do-- to say, "I love my nation, but current policy is wrong." Blind acceptance of our government is dangerous and wrong. And I know you hardly blinding accept anything (and good for you!) but nothing DTS said was anti-American.

We have f*cked up in Iraq. Monumentally. The current administration has taken away habeus corpus, mortgaged our financial future, handed power to corporations and religious zealouts and is dictating morality as health policy. How is standing up and saying, "This is wrong" being UnAmerican? It seems to me that saying "This is for sh*t" is the most patriotic thing people who really love the ideals for which America is supposed to stand can do. Right now this nation is not an honorable beacon of freedom to the world; it's an overbearing bully that won't even bother to clean up its own messes. And I'm American enough to be ashamed about it.

Love your posts, though (and yours, Timm; even though we disagree politically a lot)-- I'm always happy with how civil discourse can stay here. Makes it fun to debate and discuss and I usually learn something new. Thanks, guys.

[GenuineRisk]

All right-- after reading Rolling Stone's cover story this month I'm starting to rethink my position that the Dems aren't getting anything done because they're spineless p*ssies-- it appears the Republican-controlled Congress has been merrily breaking centuries of tradition to keep them disenfranchised. Here's the link, everyone-- I think it's a really important, scary article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics..._congress_ever

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

All right-- after reading Rolling Stone's cover story this month I'm starting to rethink my position that the Dems aren't getting anything done because they're spineless p*ssies-- it appears the Republican-controlled Congress has been merrily breaking centuries of tradition to keep them disenfranchised. Here's the link, everyone-- I think it's a really important, scary article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics..._congress_ever

Stop it. The Democrats are spineless pussies. Stop making excuses. The Republicans are atrocious, the Democrats just terrible. They are all losers. Nancy Pelosi is just as out of touch with America as George Bush. Let's put a liberal elitist from San Francisco in charge of the House. Brilliant. Harry Reid is just as corrupt as Bill Frist. Hillary Clinton is just a big a liar as any Republican.

A third party is the only solution.

As for DTS's original comment, I take issue with his last sentence, which insinuates that America is no longer great. I find it hard to believe DTS is an independent too when he is reading commondreams.com. That garbage is just as bad as Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. They are all dividers who defend their people no matter what in order to make a buck or advance their careers. There are no Thomas Paines today. Even ThomasPaine.com is garbage.

[Danzig]

i thought threads were started to generate discussion, hopefully of the intelligent kind.

it's amazing to me that people here can talk about different things--and those who agree with each other are so smart. but then that person doesn't agree with something else, and suddenly they're so dumb.

amazing, truly.

and i think comments that say those in disagreement are 'naive, have a blanket over their head, don't want to know the truth, etc' are incredibly pompous. certainly isn't something that will add to the discussion.