The Wood

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by richard burch

uncle blow.

the best was listening to repole on hrtv saying if he was zito he shouldn't be "impressed' with dialed in's performance in the fla derby.

not to mention that he closed on a speed favoring rack.

i hope mo gets the #1 post in the derby.

Yeah, and I hope you get a brain finally.

At least your hope has a 5% chance of coming true.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, and I hope you get a brain finally.

At least your hope has a 5% chance of coming true.

we will see big shot. i also hope zito's horse laughs at him as runs right past him.

if he even shows up.

[fpsoxfan]

I really love reading stupid post like many of the above. I'm thinking that many are tongue in cheek. With Uncle Moe losing we saw derby odds change from 3/2 to 4/1.. Maybe.

[slotdirt]

It's fine to hate Uncle Mo, but how many folks are going to bet Toby's Corner in the Derby? As much as I think Motion is a good dude, if the choice is between Uncle Mo and Toby's Corner on May 7th, I'm taking Uncly 100 times out of 100.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It's fine to hate Uncle Mo, but how many folks are going to bet Toby's Corner in the Derby? As much as I think Motion is a good dude, if the choice is between Uncle Mo and Toby's Corner on May 7th, I'm taking Uncly 100 times out of 100.

Really?

If you're betting on Uncle Mo in this year's Derby you are doing it based on something that has not even happened in 2011. You'd be doing it based on 2YO form and, I needn't even really say it, is a horrible approach in a race like the Derby.

Toby's Corner is not much horse but he at least is going to get a good pace setup in the Derby (more likely than not) and responded kindly to an equipment change for a good trainer.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Really?

If you're betting on Uncle Mo in this year's Derby you are doing it based on something that has not even happened in 2011. You'd be doing it based on 2YO form and, I needn't even really say it, is a horrible approach in a race like the Derby.

Toby's Corner is not much horse but he at least is going to get a good pace setup in the Derby (more likely than not) and responded kindly to an equipment change for a good trainer.

Given that the form of 99.83 percent of 3YO's in 2011 has been mediocre to poor, going off the juvenile champion's form is probably just as worthwhile in a dart board race like the Kentucky Derby as any other handicapping method, IMO. Particularly off ONE poor start.

Six times in the last ten years a horse has won the Derby off a loss in his last prep.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It's fine to hate Uncle Mo, but how many folks are going to bet Toby's Corner in the Derby? As much as I think Motion is a good dude, if the choice is between Uncle Mo and Toby's Corner on May 7th, I'm taking Uncly 100 times out of 100.

I have no idea why there is all the hate for uncle Mo. I guess it's easy to come out and say stuff after the race is done and the horse laid an egg. But if you really didn't like him (for whatever reason), maybe some people should have took the time and figured out a way to cash out on what could have been a dream opportunity to make some cash. After all, you don't find to many vulnerable 1/9 shots around.
But I guess they would rather wait and hope the horse bombed and then just make tons of stupid coments instead.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I have no idea why there is all the hate for uncle Mo. I guess it's easy to come out and say stuff after the race is done and the horse laid an egg. But if you really didn't like him (for whatever reason), maybe some people should have took the time and figured out a way to cash out on what could have been a dream opportunity to make some cash. After all, you don't find to many vulnerable 1/9 shots around.
But I guess they would rather wait and hope the horse bombed and then just make tons of stupid coments instead.

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

While I agree, I think it's wayyy premature to say he's dropped off.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

You are confusing dislike for the connections with dislike for the horse.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

Excellent view expressed.

[Dahoss]

People really don't get why the connections aren't looked at positively? Really? I like the horse just fine, but his connections aren't easy to root for.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I really love reading stupid post like many of the above. I'm thinking that many are tongue in cheek. With Uncle Moe losing we saw derby odds change from 3/2 to 4/1.. Maybe.

I would have rather seen him run "this race" the 1st Saturday in May though..... watch, he'll probably win the Derby by a half dozen lengths!

[MisterB]

Secretariat also finished third in the 1973 Wood before sweeping the Triple Crown. I wonder if people loved to see that too!!! It's not like Todd had a bad day, considering he won the Ill Derby. I just feel bad for Repole, who had 100 or so family at the track for the predicted win.

Now on to Andy, who preaches bad bets on 1-9 horses. He was a bad bet, and you singled him in the P4, that was a bad bet. You preach, I listen. Live and learn.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Secretariat also finished third in the 1973 Wood before sweeping the Triple Crown. I wonder if people loved to see that too!!! It's not like Todd had a bad day, considering he won the Ill Derby. I just feel bad for Repole, who had 100 or so family at the track for the predicted win.

Now on to Andy, who preaches bad bets on 1-9 horses. He was a bad bet, and you singled him in the P4, that was a bad bet. You preach, I listen. Live and learn.

How are those hindsight glasses working for you? I guess if Andy went 4 deep in the race and Uncle Mo romped by 12, he would have been a fool for going so deep in a race with a 1-9 shot in it.

The guy gave out a $125 horse the other day and you want to ridicule him about singling a horse who looked like the only way he could lose was if the jockey fell off. It's a little unfair, don't you think?

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41767

[3kings]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Secretariat also finished third in the 1973 Wood before sweeping the Triple Crown. I wonder if people loved to see that too!!! It's not like Todd had a bad day, considering he won the Ill Derby. I just feel bad for Repole, who had 100 or so family at the track for the predicted win.

Now on to Andy, who preaches bad bets on 1-9 horses. He was a bad bet, and you singled him in the P4, that was a bad bet. You preach, I listen. Live and learn.

I hope this is just the 3:48 AM talking because this is ignorant. The guy gave out a $120. horse earlier in the day and if you boxed his horses in that race it was a $3000. tri. Yet you get on him for missing on a horse that looked far superior on paper. I'm sorry someone held a gun to your head and made you bet what he said. Many on here appreciate Andy, Doug, Nick T, and Steve for giving their insight and it has helped us become better handicappers. Don't be such an @hole, if you aren't willing to lose on some one else's opinion, don't use it.

[dino]

It's easy to hate Uncle Mo because of his arrogant trainer and owner. Most of the same people hate the Pat's, Yankee's, Celt's and Lakers.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I hope this is just the 3:48 AM talking because this is ignorant. The guy gave out a $120. horse earlier in the day and if you boxed his horses in that race it was a $3000. tri. Yet you get on him for missing on a horse that looked far superior on paper. I'm sorry someone held a gun to your head and made you bet what he said. Many on here appreciate Andy, Doug, Nick T, and Steve for giving their insight and it has helped us become better handicappers. Don't be such an @hole, if you aren't willing to lose on some one else's opinion, don't use it.

I didn't bet the horse, it was a bad bet, even in a P4. Something I learned from Andy. I know he had a bomb earlier, I listen to his show everyday. Your digging for burning embers, when there is none. Pointing out something he teaches, so what. What does getting up early getting ready to work have anything to with anything? Some people just love to start up BS.