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04-07-2011, 02:18 PM
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04-07-2011, 02:21 PM
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I just think it's funny that Boston fans try to differentiate themselves from the Evil Empire when the rest of the world sees them as the Evil Empire-New England.
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04-07-2011, 04:47 PM
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I always found that to be a bit comical with Sox fans. Somehow the Yankees "buy" championships but when they sign Manny or Pedro or Crawford or Gonzales, somehow they are "growing" their team the old fashioned way.
Make no mistake, the Sox buy their championships just like any other team.
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04-08-2011, 09:08 PM
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Boston has built their teams in the 2000's through shrewd moves with a few big money signings. Pedro was acquired via trade Gonzalez was acquired via trade Beckett and Mike Lowell via trade Pedroia was drafted by Boston Youkilis was drafted by Boston Ellsbury was drafted by Boston Varitek was acquired via trade (along with Derrick Lowe) Lester was drafted by Boston Buchholz was drafted by Boston Papelbon was drafted by Boston Bard was drafted by Boston Wakefield was signed by Boston for 175k as a FA after being released by the Pirates Ortiz signed as a FA for 1.2 million after being released by the Twins Lowrie drafted by Boston Millar signed as FA for 2 million a year Damon signed as FA for 7 million a year (same as previous year) Schilling was acquired via trade Foulke signed as FA for 3.5 million (or half of what he had made the previous year) Arroyo was claimed off of waivers by Boston Mueller was signed as a FA for 2.1 million (less than his previous 2 years salary with the Cubs) Bellhorn was given to Boston for nothing by the Rockies Crisp was acquired by trade Okajima was signed as an Intl F for 1.2 million Victor Martinez was acquired via trade Boston's major FA signings "splurges" Lugo was signed as a FA for 8 million (not exactly thier finest hour) JD Drew was signed as a FA for 14 million Manny was signed as a FA for avg 18 million Daisuke was signed as an Int'l FA for 8.3 million (they did pay a huge posting fee) Lackey was signed as a FA for avg 16 million a year Beltre was a 1 year, 10 million FA signing that netted them a 1st round pick when he signed with Texas Cameron signed as a FA for 7.5 million These are the major players on the 2 WS winning teams and players since 2004. Do I really need to go through the Yankees for a comparison?
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04-08-2011, 09:27 PM
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These are the major players on the 2 WS winning teams and players since 2004. Do I really need to go through the Yankees for a comparison?[/quote]
Well yes.....if for no other reason that I think I would really enjoy the comparable dialogue.....
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04-08-2011, 09:32 PM
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Calling half of those deals "trades" is laughable. If that is the case, can I call a rod a "trade acquisition"? How about Clemens? Knoblauch?
When a team like the padres "trades" a young stud 1st baseman for minor leaguers and stud subsequently signs 100 trillion dollar contract before he plays an inning, that is in essence a free agent signing. When a team that is about to become history "trades" the best young arm in baseball and said pitcher signs for a trillion dollars, that is in essence a free agent signing. Yeah, schilling was a "trade". So was Pedro.  We have already debated this. The yanks last world series was pretty sickening but let's not act like Boston's were homegrown. At least the yanks best players during their dynasty years were farm products. Boston can't even say that.
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04-09-2011, 08:23 AM
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SO the Red Sox forced these teams to deal with them? What above market deal did they do? Who signed for $250 million dollars? They gave up Carl Pavano who when he was traded was the 9th ranked prospect in the game by Baseball America. They gave up Hanley Ramirez for Beckett and Lowell. They gave up 4 highly ranked prospects for Schilling including Astros current closer Brandon Lyon and 1st round pick Fossum. Schilling made 10 million in 03 with AZ, 12 million in 04 with Boston. Everyone knew that SD wasn't going to resign with AZ. Do you think he wouldn't have found someone to meet his asking price if they had kept him as a FA? That Boston giving up 2 top prospects doesnt count? That is the difference. Boston has signed good players to realistic contracts and let guys go at the right time and collected draft picks that they have used wisely. The fact they have the ability to trade top prospects to get players back is the difference. The Yankees for the most part just spend. Who is an important player that they have drafted in the 2000's? Besides Cano who is thier young homegrown talent? And yeah you can call the Clemens deal a trade. They didn't exactly give him away considering David Wells and Lloyd were top players. My point isnt that Boston doesn't have a high payroll compared to a lot of other teams but they are no where near the Yankees in throwing money at guys.
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