UN Workers Beheaded

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Comical.

Math....if three people found themselves in a cage with three hungry lions who were thankfully asleep, all they had to do was quietly exit the cage but suddenly Jed started pounding on the cage and yelling waking the lions who attacked and killed the people inside. Sure they were in danger simply by being in the cage and sure, the lions were man-eaters all along and everyone knew that but would you give old Jed a pass for his actions?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Math....if three people found themselves in a cage with three hungry lions who were thankfully asleep, all they had to do was quietly exit the cage but suddenly Jed started pounding on the cage and yelling waking the lions who attacked and killed the people inside. Sure they were in danger simply by being in the cage and sure, the lions were man-eaters all along and everyone knew that but would you give old Jed a pass for his actions?

It's apples and oranges, but I'll play along.

At anytime the lions could wake up an attack without being provoked.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It's apples and oranges, but I'll play along.

At anytime the lions could wake up an attack without being provoked.

But they didn't just wake up, they were awakened by the actions of dear old Jed. One can always use the excuse that they may have awakened on their own but that's not what happened...Jed's actions woke them! The fact that they did what wild animals do once they woke up doesn't dissolve Jed of the guilt of waking them up!

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

But they didn't just wake up, they were awakened by the actions of dear old Jed. One can always use the excuse that they may have awakened on their own but that's not what happened...Jed's actions woke them! The fact that they did what wild animals do once they woke up doesn't dissolve Jed of the guilt of waking them up!

So are you really saying that because one person out of a population of over three hundred million lit a book on fire, that he is soley responsible for waking the animals?

Do you understand how ridiculous that is?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

So are you really saying that because one person out of a population of over three hundred million lit a book on fire, that he is soley responsible for waking the animals?

Do you understand how ridiculous that is?

It's ridiculous to you because your mind is set, nothing I or anyone else will say will change it. Sorry that you feel his right to be a bigoted jerk supercedes any consequence of his actions. And, for the record, yes...he woke the lions.

[Riot]

I'll stick with General Patraeus' assessment (who, btw, also says Jed woke the lions):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...831942006.html

The Afghani's are not Egyptians, nor even Libyans. They are tribal. They don't have internet access or Facebook. What they learn about the outside world is from their religious leaders during Friday afternoons. The dickwad in Florida put his little quest for fame on the internet, where the radical imams and the Taliban grabbed it and used it to stoke hate for America (like they did with the Abu Grab pictures) as represented by the troops on the ground in Afghanistan. Nobody in America even noticed it happened.

I support our troops but the Generals like Betrayus can suck it.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll stick with General Patraeus' assessment (who, btw, also says Jed woke the lions):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...831942006.html

The Afghani's are not Egyptians, nor even Libyans. They are tribal. They don't have internet access or Facebook. What they learn about the outside world is from their religious leaders during Friday afternoons. The dickwad in Florida put his little quest for fame on the internet, where the radical imams and the Taliban grabbed it and used it to stoke hate for America (like they did with the Abu Grab pictures) as represented by the troops on the ground in Afghanistan. Nobody in America even noticed it happened.

Whoa whoa whoa, according to the article it was the President who was the one that recognized and inflamed the whole situation.

While Gen. Petraeus said he had no doubt that Mr. Karzai is taking the situation seriously, some Western officials have complained that the Afghan president himself has exacerbated the tensions with his pronouncements on the issue.
Most Afghans learned about the Quran burning in Florida only when Mr. Karzai on March 24 condemned the act as "a crime against the religion and the entire Muslim nation," called on the U.S. and the U.N. to bring the perpetrators to justice and demanded "a satisfactory response to the resentment and anger of over 1.5 billion Muslims around the world."

I just don't understand how the actions of one person who is a nobody, can anger 1.5 billion Muslims around the world. Why would Karzai even recognize him? It's not like the President did it on the White House lawn or a hundred thousand people filled up the rose bowl to take part in a burning. It was one person (who is an idiot {I never denied that}but, well within his right (you remember those?) who chose to demonstrate his feelings towards Muslims.

I think the final paragraph says it all.
"We cannot see the difference between that man in Florida and the American soldiers here," said Karimullah, a 25-year-old religious student who, like many Afghans, goes by one name and took part in Sunday's Kandahar protests. "They are killing our people here while in the U.S. they burn the Holy Quran. America just wants to humiliate the Muslim world."


The way I see it, many of them just hate Americans and will take any opportunity they have to try to hurt us. I think Petraeus is more annoyed about the fact that it shows how exposed and vulernable we/U.N. are over there. The Afgan president is the one who blew this out of proportion, he chose to incite his people (maybe because of his own true feelings towards America) instead of either ignoring the actions of one idiot or trying to quell his people. Could you imagine if the US president went on TV everytime some Muslim burned a flag and basically incited the public to protest/demonstrate mosques knowing they would probably get ugly.

Like I said, Americans are in constant danger over there no matter what is going on in the rest of the world.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

It's ridiculous to you because your mind is set, nothing I or anyone else will say will change it. Sorry that you feel his right to be a bigoted jerk supercedes any consequence of his actions. And, for the record, yes...he woke the lions.

I'm glad we at least established that there are humans on one side of this dynamic and animals on the other.

It's strange that we see the beheadings and violence as unavoidable on the part of the muslims, and blame the burners of the book as if this is a physics relationship of cause and effect.

You can't have it both ways. If the two sides are equal as people (believers and non-believers alike), then BOTH need to have discipline and forebearance.