Maclean's Music (110 preliminary Beyer)

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.

Isolate his record at 10f.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Isolate his record at 10f.

I'll give you credit....you never tire of being boorish.

Many of us are still waiting for your response to your idiotic suggestion that horses with high debut Beyers ( you made your usual inane comment concerning Bind ) went on to do very little during their careers. Well, five of the 20 in the last 19 years to return won Grade 1 races ( seven races in total ). 13 of those 20 ran 1-2-3 in Grade 1 races and 13 of the 20 won Graded Stakes.

Why don't you respond when your idiocy is exposed instead of making one useless hit and run post after another?

I know, like you, that Formal Gold was 0 for 3 in 1 1/4 races. I also know he ran 106, 108 and 115 speed figures in losing three races he wasn't favored in, and was over 20:1 in one of them. But, you think you're clever with your snide little comment. Guess what? You aren't.

[slotdirt]

Every time I see a fast debut Beyer, I think "well, that's no Formal Gold." I guess I'll be thinking "wow, that's no Maclean's Music" from now on.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Every time I see a fast debut Beyer, I think "well, that's no Formal Gold." I guess I'll be thinking "wow, that's no Maclean's Music" from now on.

If this horse is campaigned even half as aggressively as Formal Gold was we'll be in for a treat.

Of course, they'll probably shoot themselves in the foot right off the bat by foregoing the most important step in Formal Gold's ascent to the big leagues...running through his allowance conditions first.

A few years ago, Earl Mack had another Formal Gold-wannabe named Grand Hombre, who won his first 4 races, all with triple digit Beyers. He, too, was run through his allowance conditions before tackling stakes horses.

The only mistake Mack (and trainer Dennis Manning) made with the horse was that they sold him to Godolphin after his Pennsylvania Derby romp. Of course, he never won again...and in fact, is still filling fields to this day in Dubai during the Carnival as an 11 year old.

[blackthroatedwind]

Grand Hombre was also a major league putover in his debut.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Grand Hombre was also a major league putover in his debut.

Don't remember his debut (it was followed by a significant layoff) or what price he was that day. Anything else come out of that race to do anything?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Don't remember his debut (it was followed by a significant layoff) or what price he was that day. Anything else come out of that race to do anything?

Something like 9:1 with maybe one work showing. I think Beyer wrote an article about it.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Don't remember his debut (it was followed by a significant layoff) or what price he was that day. Anything else come out of that race to do anything?

Just pulled the chart. He paid $30.60, after opening far shorter, if my memory is correct. I don't recognize most of the other horses in the race, except that the firster that took the most money (at 2-1) and finished fourth, beaten ten lengths, was Strong Hope.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'll give you credit....you never tire of being boorish.

Many of us are still waiting for your response to your idiotic suggestion that horses with high debut Beyers ( you made your usual inane comment concerning Bind ) went on to do very little during their careers. Well, five of the 20 in the last 19 years to return won Grade 1 races ( seven races in total ). 13 of those 20 ran 1-2-3 in Grade 1 races and 13 of the 20 won Graded Stakes.

Why don't you respond when your idiocy is exposed instead of making one useless hit and run post after another?

I know, like you, that Formal Gold was 0 for 3 in 1 1/4 races. I also know he ran 106, 108 and 115 speed figures in losing three races he wasn't favored in, and was over 20:1 in one of them. But, you think you're clever with your snide little comment. Guess what? You aren't.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Isolate his record at 10f.

Do you think that there is a correlation between horses running fast in their debut and them developing into quality race horses?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Do you think that there is a correlation between horses running fast in their debut and them developing into quality race horses?

Thinking isn't on her resume.