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Old 03-10-2011, 02:43 PM
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Collective bargaining is a 50-50 proposition. It is pure, libertarian, self-interested capitalism at it's finest. Each side comes to the table looking out for it's own financial self-interests.
except when there is no business or businessmen at the table.

Wisconsin is busting public employee unions not private unions.

When you have public union workers 'bargaining' with union backed politicians there is more stealing than bargaining going on and the private tax payer is on the hook. There is no motivation to cut but rather grow. There is no production just consumption. Government should hire private companies willing to bid on everything from education to janitorial work. Walker is a hero to his constituents now. He wasn't going to ever win your type over anyway. So refreshing to see a politician follow thru on promises.
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except when there is no business or businessmen at the table.
And that's not the union's fault, is it?
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The nice thing is, and a few of the teachers will realize this now, the lack of collective bargaining leaves a spot open for individual bargaining. No longer will good teachers (a rare and amazing thing in this world) be lumped in with those that wound up teaching. They will be able to shine and be properly rewarded based on their merits and not those, or lack thereof, around them. Good employees want NOTHING to do with unions. Not anymore.
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:15 PM
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The nice thing is, and a few of the teachers will realize this now, the lack of collective bargaining leaves a spot open for individual bargaining. No longer will good teachers (a rare and amazing thing in this world) be lumped in with those that wound up teaching. They will be able to shine and be properly rewarded based on their merits and not those, or lack thereof, around them. Good employees want NOTHING to do with unions. Not anymore.
Wow, what an over simplification....and I reject the hypothesis that good teachers are rare. As a whole teachers are among the best that society has to offer.
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Wow, what an over simplification....and I reject the hypothesis that good teachers are rare. As a whole teachers are among the best that society has to offer.
Good people for sure. I hold nothing personal against the group. I remember the good teachers from my education, of the many that I have had, very few stick out as good. Those that do are a rare breed. A great teacher is not common despite what people might want to believe. Greatness is not more common in a noble profession just because it is noble. It is an art.
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Good people for sure. I hold nothing personal against the group. I remember the good teachers from my education, of the many that I have had, very few stick out as good. Those that do are a rare breed. A great teacher is not common despite what people might want to believe. Greatness is not more common in a noble profession just because it is noble. It is an art.
I disagree. Good and great teachers are the norm. Bad teachers are rare.

You have to hand it to the Republicans - they sure are good at building straw men and demons out of kindergarten teachers
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I disagree. Good and great teachers are the norm. Bad teachers are rare.

You have to hand it to the Republicans - they sure are good at building straw men and demons out of kindergarten teachers
Bad schools are the norm in this country, period. Money does not make a school any better, ask Newark, NJ, worst and most expensive. Good teachers are not common, great teachers are very rare. It must be nice to have gone to a school that promotes that type of thinking, I did not, I doubt most Americans had that opportunity. I know where I come from, this is not the case at all. My Kindergarten teacher was excellent, by the way.
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And that's not the union's fault, is it?
of course not that's why ALL GOV contracts bar the justice department and defense should be open for lowest bid? Save OUR money?
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of course not that's why ALL GOV contracts bar the justice department and defense should be open for lowest bid? Save OUR money?
I don't understand what that has to do with unions and who is at the bargaining table, but I agree. Although I don't think lowest bid should always being the deciding factor (controversy over Lockheed using prison labor to assemble some Patriot missile parts for example)

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At a time when basic public employee union activities in state governments are under attack, Uncle Sam is staging what labor leaders say is the largest federal union organizing effort in history.

In contrast to Wisconsin and Ohio, where conservative politicians want to strip labor organizations of certain collective bargaining rights, 44,000 federal transportation security officers will be able to vote to choose a union, or no union, during a six-week period beginning Wednesday.

Two unions, the AFL-CIO-affiliated American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) and the independent National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU), are on the ballot, as is the option of no union. If none of the three options gets a majority, there will be a run-off.

A win on this would be huge, for the union movement and for screeners, who've had to cope with terrible work conditions such as working split shifts—three hours on, four hours off, three hours back at work.

The vote ends April 19th.
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