Beyer in Chilie

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you have any actual experience training racehorses?

Do you know that the trend of horses "needing more time" comes from influences outside of the backside right? That the sheets guys with an assist from Bobby Frankel's astronomical success (which the sheets guys kind of took some credit for because he campaigned horses with help of the sheets while at the same time accusing Frankel of cheating which may or may not have been true)

The truth is that the top trainers not running their horses as much filters down because people follow what successful people do or at least what they think they do. Not to mention that unlike Europe or Dubai or Hong Kong we race all year long. When there was less winter racing in this country horses raced harder during the racing season because they knew they were going to get down time in the Winter.

And the influence of owners has a lot to do with it as well. Since they all flock to the same trainers who train with the more time motto, why is it surprising that other trainers follow suit? And it should be understood that trainers often publicly lie about the condition of their horses for reasons that anyone could understand. It is a lot easier to say the horse needs more time than say he was lame yesterday.

And lets revisit the careers of some famous European horses
Dancing Brave- 10 starts
Zarkava-7 starts
Sea the Stars- 9 starts
Dalakhani-9 starts
Galileo- 8 starts
Conduit-8 starts (2 in NA)
Shirocco-13 starts over 3 seasons
High Chaparral-13 starts over 3 seasons
Kalanisi-11 starts
Daylami-19 starts over 4 seasons

Lets not act like European stakes horses are running more than American stakes horses are.

Sea the Stars and Zarkava arent good examples IMO.. The issue is that virtually no horses in this country race more then 25 times a year. I find that rather amazing

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Properly used they can certainly help. But lets not act like with no guidelines there wasn't abuse. Giving steroids to young horses before they are training is probably as big of abuse as their is and that has zero to do with training. That didnt start in the 70's because up to 20 years ago horses were not prepped (trained basically) for the yearling sales like they do now.

Originally Posted by freddymo

Sea the Stars and Zarkava arent good examples IMO.. The issue is that virtually no horses in this country race more then 25 times a year. I find that rather amazing

Sea the Stars is American bred through and through btw.

[freddymo]

Sea the Stars is American bred through and through btw.

That is why he had to be retired.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sea the Stars is American bred through and through btw.

Why because Cape Cross is a Green Desert? What definition of a thru and thru Am. bred?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Why because Cape Cross is a Green Desert? What definition of a thru and thru Am. bred?

By a grandson of Danzig out of a son of Mr Prospector? Sounds like a lot of American blood