Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[Riot]

More good news for Mr. "I won't take yes for an answer!" Walker.

AFSCME Files Unfair Labor Practice Complaint Against Gov. Walker

The attorney for the public employees union AFSCME has filed a complaint of unfair labor practices against Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wis.), alleging that he has violated his legal duty to bargain in good faith. The complaint argues that even though the public unions have agreed to the governor's demands on wages, benefits and pensions, he is still refusing to sit down and negotiate on collective bargaining rights.

AFSCME is asking the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission to:

a. Declare that the respondent State of Wisconsin has denied its employees their rights under Wis. Stats. §§ 111.82 and 111.97;

b. Declare that the respondent State of Wisconsin committed an unfair labor practice within the definitions of Wis. Stats. §§ 111.84(1)(a) and (d) and 111.97(1)(a) and (d);

c. Require the respondent State of Wisconsin to bargain collectively with the complainant WSEU [Wisconsin State Employees Union Council];

d. Extend the provisions of the contract extension until this controversy reaches resolution;

e. Prohibit this and similar types of unlawful conduct in the future;

f. Require the posting of conspicuous compliance notices;

g. Require such further relief as may be deemed appropriate in these circumstance.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

More good news for Mr. "I won't take yes for an answer!" Walker.

LMAO

you really have no clue do ya?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I really don't have a clue about what the hell Walker is doing any more. He's been in office weeks, but he's outright lied to his citizens, and broken more laws in the past week than an Illinois governor. It's not going well. Even a few Republican Senators are now threatening not to vote yes for Walker's union-busting bill. So I will try to vaguely insult you.

FTFY, buddy

[Riot]

Survey shows Walker and eight Republican State Senators vulnerable to recall
An estimated 1.1 million Wisconsin voters would sign a recall petition if asked

"Walker will not be subject to a recall until he has served one year in office. After he has served one year, a recall would require the signatures of approximately 532,970 voters (25% of the total 2010 gubernatorial vote). Based on the results of this most recent survey and microtargeting models, it is estimated that more than 1.1 million voters statewide would be willing to sign a recall petition if asked".
http://www.strategictelemetry.com/do...vey_022811.pdf

[dellinger63]

Outside of Milwaukee and Madison WI news

Rep. Evan Wynn, who represents the 43rd Assembly District, said that, despite the media attention given to pro-union protesters, supporters of the bill outnumber opponents.

“The protesters have been loud, but I believe they’re a vocal minority,” Wynn said. “I see where Tim Cullen said the state is split 50/50, but I feel it’s 60/40 in favor of the bill. Mr. Cullen and the other Senate Democrats were in hiding, while the rest of us have been here working and communicating with our constituents.

“This thing is bigger than the budget or collective bargaining,” he added. “It’s about what system of government we want, and not the minority dictating things to the majority. It’s about making this state great.”

Longtime state Rep. Steve Nass, R-Whitewater, said no amount of intimidation from protesters would keep him from voting for the bill.


http://walworthcountytoday.com/news/...lators-united/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Outside of Milwaukee and Madison WI news

Rep. Evan Wynn, who represents the 43rd Assembly District, said that, despite the media attention given to pro-union protesters, supporters of the bill outnumber opponents.

Strange statement. I wonder what alternate reality this guy is living in? That's not objectively true according to the signs of the 100,000 that were there this weekend, or the 70,000 last weekend (when a few thousand counter protesters showed up, bussed in by the Koch brothers "Tea Party" group), nor the thousands within the capital building this week.

Nor according to current public opinion polls that say 61% of Wisconsin citizens support the right to collectively bargain and disagree with Walker trying to take that away.

“The protesters have been loud, but I believe they’re a vocal minority,” Wynn said.

Oh! I see! He's going with "belief". Not "facts" Who knows, maybe his individual district is telling him differently than the Wisconsin polls are showing.

[Riot]

There is a Wisconsin law that says the Wisconsin capital must be open to free, unrestricted access by the public.

Governor Walker, over the last two days, has tried to circumvent that law, ordering access restricted since late Sunday night (limiting who can come in, denying access to most of the public)

A lawsuit was immediately filed late Sunday evening, with judge contact first thing Monday morning for a hearing to get a temporary restraining order on Walker, on behalf of the owners of the building, the public.

Breaking Reuters: A Dane County circuit court judge ordered Wisconsin authorities on Tuesday to open the Capitol Building in Madison to public access during business hours.

It was not immediately clear whether the temporary restraining order granted by Judge Daniel Moeser would result in a change in the way people have been granted access to the building over the past two days.

Protesters have held demonstrations for two weeks at the Capitol building against Republican Governor Scott Walker's proposal to curb the powers of public sector unions and access was tightened on Monday and Tuesday.

A representative of the Walker administration was not immediately available to comment.

Walker does have a problem: he is supposed to broadcast his budget speech Tuesday, and the protesters are now going to provide background to that, as he couldn't eliminate them and make them go away.

Walker is still trying to screw everyone and anyone associated with the other party:

Holding paychecks for Democratic senators hostage (eliminated direct deposit, passed a resolution they have to come to the floor of the Senate to pick up their paycheck)

Making Democratic Senators current state employees (who are still working in the capital, serving the public) have their work hours signed off on by someone else, not permitted to be signed off by their boss.

Forbidding Democratic Senator current state employees from using the copy machines. Seriously. Walker has forbidden Senate Dem office employees from using their copy machines. If these public employees need copies, they now have to leave their office, go to a main office, get approval, then be allowed to use the copier.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nor according to current public opinion polls that say 61% of Wisconsin citizens support the right to collectively bargain and disagree with Walker trying to take that away.

Try again 48% Back GOP Governor in Wisconsin Spat, 38% Side With Unions

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...de_with_unions

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

LMAO

you really have no clue do ya?

Dell quit trying. Reasoning with Riot is like trying to work out new contracts with the teachers union.

BTW- anybody want to talk about how MATC (for those outside of wisconsin) Milwaukee Area Technical College that quickly signed a 3 yr contract extension in an emergency meeting prior to Govenor Walker's proposal?

The biggest joke is the teachers union say they are willing to accept the cuts; however if they do not get rid of collective bargaining their word means absolutely nothing since they do not have the right to negotiate for every municipality in the state.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Dell quit trying. Reasoning with Riot is like trying to work out new contracts with the teachers union. .

I know twitter tells the whole story. No need to be here!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Dell quit trying. Reasoning with Riot is like trying to work out new contracts with the teachers union.

Really? What part of my posting, "AFSCME Files Unfair Labor Practice Complaint Against Gov. Walker", which is indeed true, is "being unreasonable"??

Or maybe Dell can explain how the fact that AFSCME filed the complaint is, "not having a clue?"

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? What part of my posting, "AFSCME Files Unfair Labor Practice Complaint Against Gov. Walker", which is indeed true, is "being unreasonable"??

Or maybe Dell can explain how the fact that AFSCME filed the complaint is, "not having a clue?"

Riot you believe Scott Walker is the devil and unions are the best thing that happened to the workers since sliced bread. You quote polls, articles, etc and try everything to prove your point. I can find you polls that say the opposite and I can dispute all of your arguments however I have a job (unlike a lot of the protestors in Madison) a family and a life outside of trying to prove you are incorrect.

You have not once posted a solution to the budget problems that our state faces and that many states will face in the future thanks to the outrageous spending and government entitlements. If you believe you have a better solution I would love to hear it and again saying that the teachers union is willing to accept cuts is not an acceptable solution since they can not negotiate that since each municipality will have to do that themselves. Please enlighten us...

[wiphan]

Also here is an example of the one school district (not the top paying by any means in WI)

Kaukana Area School District and the Comensation section of the union contract. Just a few Highlights for your review:


1) The full year contract for a teacher is 188 days. This includes 176 teaching days and 12 in-service days. Page 9 Master Contract.

2) The district uses WEA for it’s health insurance provider. Cost over $23,000/yr.

3) The district uses WEA for it's dental and pays 90% of the cost.

4) The district provides 2x salary for group life insurance through WEA paid 100% by employer.

5) The district provides long term disability through WEA paid 100% by employer.

6) The district provides long term care insuranc through WEA paid 100% by the employer. I just quoted my own LTC policy at age 36 at a cost of $4,100/yr.

7) Teachers are assigned 5 class periods/ day and if a teacher is assigned a six period they shall be paid one seventhe of their annual salary for this extra assignment .

8) Normal work week for teachers shall be 37.5 hours. Page 17 Master Contract.

9) Teacher normal work day is 7:30 to 3:45 with a required 30 minute lunch and 8 hours of prep time each week. Page 17 Master Contract.

10) Full year for pension credit is 1,350 hours. See WRS Website for pension credits.


Example hourly rate for 1st year Kaukauna teacher:


$37,100 (see pay grid) / 188 work days (based on contract) / 8 hour pay day from 7:30 to 5:00PM ( contract is 7:30 to 3:45) hourly rate for first year teacher is $24.66/hr.

$30,000 benefits ($23,000 health/$4,081 Pension/Dental/LTC/Life)/ 188 work days/ 8 hour pay=$20.80/hr.

Total 1st year pay package Kaukauna Teacher is $24.66 +$20.80=$41.63

Example hourly rate for a teacher with over 10 years experience:

$79,559 (see pay grid) / 188 work days (based on contract) / 8 hour pay day from 7:30 to 5:00PM ( contract is 7:30 to 3:45) hourly rate is $52.89/hr.

$35,000 benefits ($23,000 health/$8,751 Pension/Dental/LTC/Life)/ 188 work days/ 8 hour pay=$23.27/hr.

Total pay package Kaukauna Teacher is $52.89+$23.27=$76.16/hr.

If they worked a full year of 2040 hours this would amount to a total pay package of $155,366 at $76.16/hr.

[Riot]

If they worked a full year of 2040 hours this would amount to a total pay package of $155,366 at $76.16/hr.

But they don't work a full year. They work 188 days. But their salary has to cover them for a full year like anyone else. If they worked a full year, their package would probably remain exactly what it is now.

The math here is obviously faulty. The correct thing to do, to compare what teachers earn a year to what everyone else earns for a year, is to take what they earn and spread that over 12 months. Not 188 days. Because professionals are paid a yearly salary and benefits package, not an hourly wage.

You also cannot include pension money in the yearly calcuation, because that is deferred pay.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Riot you believe Scott Walker is the devil and unions are the best thing that happened to the workers since sliced bread. .

Well, no. I don't.

Maybe you shouldn't make so many assumptions about other people?

You quote polls, articles, etc and try everything to prove your point.

Um, no. I post articles, polls, etc - and that forms my opinion. I don't start with an opinion, first.

I can find you polls that say the opposite and I can dispute all of your arguments however I have a job (unlike a lot of the protestors in Madison) a family and a life outside of trying to prove you are incorrect.

Ah. I see. Everything I think or post is "incorrect". THAT's what it is you think is "unreasonable" <vbg>

And you're actually making snarky comments about me because you think I have more free time than you to pay attention to politics (that's not allowed?), or that I love talking about politics? (not allowed either in your world?) Not very tolerant of other people being different than you, are you? And I'm the one being "unreasonable"? LOL

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, no. I don't.

Maybe you shouldn't make so many assumptions about other people?



Um, no. I post articles, polls, etc - and that forms my opinion. I don't start with an opinion, first.



Ah. I see. Everything I think or post is "incorrect". THAT's what it is you think is "unreasonable" <vbg>

And you're actually making snarky comments about me because you think I have more free time than you to pay attention to politics (that's not allowed?), or that I love talking about politics? (not allowed either in your world?) Not very tolerant of other people being different than you, are you? And I'm the one being "unreasonable"? LOL

nice moonwalk

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, no. I don't.

Maybe you shouldn't make so many assumptions about other people?



Um, no. I post articles, polls, etc - and that forms my opinion. I don't start with an opinion, first.



Ah. I see. Everything I think or post is "incorrect". THAT's what it is you think is "unreasonable" <vbg>

And you're actually making snarky comments about me because you think I have more free time than you to pay attention to politics (that's not allowed?), or that I love talking about politics? (not allowed either in your world?) Not very tolerant of other people being different than you, are you? And I'm the one being "unreasonable"? LOL

You still have not offerred a single solution to WI budget problems. Please enlighten us with your solution