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Old 02-25-2011, 10:00 PM
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The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:28 PM
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And a foul out to boot.

He's not known as Marshmellow for nothing...don't ya know.
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The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.
Utah won last night. Does that mean that trade might end up BETTER than you thought?

Surely you aren't using last night's game as any type of barometer as to whether or not that was a good trade.
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:29 AM
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I thought it was a good and necessary trade for Utah. Their result, however, has nothing to do with the Knicks and their lack of defense and their selfishness on offense. Amare left Phoenix because he wanted to be "The Man" and NY is a huge stage for that. Carmelo was already in that role in Denver and is not going to relinquish it to Stoudamire. Unlike James and Wade, these are two selfish players. James and Wade struggled early as each was trying to be too accomodating. Melo and Stoudamire played like they were having an internal contest to see who could shoot most. Also, it might have been only one game and only the second together but their defensive attitudes aren't going to change with more games. What I was looking for was a sign that once they get some cohesion, it might get better. What I saw was "this is what you are gonna get, we'll give you 60 and try to outscore everyone."
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:47 AM
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You shouldn't come to conclusions after 1 or 2 games but giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling. Having to actually play Balkman, having Shawne Williams and Bill Walker combine for 35 minutes, Ronny Turiaf 26 minutes is going to be bad most nights. Those guys were 6-25 last night in 92 minutes of playing time.
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Old 02-26-2011, 12:55 PM
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"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.
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They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:11 PM
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This trade, you could devaluate the day it was announced.
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:05 PM
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They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.
They need more than that. They only have 5 players that are NBA worthy to play real minutes and with the system that they run you will need depth. They will need to replace Billups after next season and they desperately need frontcourt help which is hard to find. This years draft is terrible and it is a real stretch to think they can get a impact player there. OKC just gave up a 16 pts a game guy, a starting center and decent number 1 pick to get a solid defensive center who cant shoot with a bum knee that is a FA after the season. Jermain O'Neal is actually collecting a paycheck. Shaq is still getting 2 year contracts. That should tell you all you need to know about how easy it is to find quality big men. Add in the Knicks have nothing of value to trade and you just wonder where these other players are going to come from. Azubuike ?
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"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.
If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost
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If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost
February 23d....scored 119 vs. Houston, and lost.



Wrong again.
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Utah won last night. Does that mean that trade might end up BETTER than you thought?

Surely you aren't using last night's game as any type of barometer as to whether or not that was a good trade.
I have 12 games and four losses to the Pacers and Cavs (plus years of watching Amare "The Matador" Stoudamire and Carmelo "Ole" Anthony get torched. You don't give up 115 and 119 to Cleveland and 119 to Indiana if you want to call yourself a real contender. They look worse to me now than before the trade.
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It is getting worse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=310320015
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It's reached the incredibly embarrassing stage.
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It's reached the incredibly embarrassing stage.
I don't like the guy so I really couldn't care less, but you would think that Dantoni's seat should be getting hotter by the day now.

It would be absolutely horrific for MSG who intends on raising prices for the Knicks and Rangers next year if the Knicks should have a Mets like collapse and crap out of the playoffs here. Since they have dropped out of relavance again and I hate Dolan so much, I'm actually kind of rooting for them to miss it so he ends up with egg on his face again.
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The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.
That was some nice defense. 50 points in three quarters allowed to a pretty nice offensive team.

The knicks aren't contenders yet but they are relevant. They weren't a week ago.
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That was some nice defense. 50 points in three quarters allowed to a pretty nice offensive team.

The knicks aren't contenders yet but they are relevant. They weren't a week ago.
I don't know if it was really good D or just really bad offense. Miami looked horendous tonight, I don't think I have ever seen Dwayne Wade play so poorly. Also I saw some of that Lebron softness that Coach is always talking about. He needed to go to the hole like a man late in the game instead of a puss. He got blocked by Amare and cried about a phantom hack. I know it was far from the Heat's best game tonight, but I don't see them winning shiat with that team.
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It definitely was a better defensive effort from them but the Heat just sucked once again. They probably aren't as bad as they looked against Cleveland or as good as they looked tonight but if I think they are closer to the Cleveland effort.

I agree that Stoudamire appears to be lost. For stretches, I forgot he was even on the court. For a guy that was unhappy in Phoenix with not being the star, I wonder how content he's going to be being secondary yet again.
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The Heat sucked , but you have to credit the Knicks for some of that. Billups finally made a shot at the end of the game. At this point, I'd rather have Melo on my team than "King James"
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