Curlin/Rachel Alexandra

[smartbid09]

Originally Posted by prudery

Tosmah--with an h, was bred to chef-de-race Ribot, certainly a proven sire , after being bred to two nothings prior .

She lived to be 30, but only had 4 foals ...

The Ribot filly died at 4 before producing anything.

Tosmah may have produced nothing capable of carrying on the line, but not necessarily because she was bred thrice to unproven stallions--she simply did not produce much, and the Ribot died, limiting what she did leave for posterity .

It is not known whether had she continued to be bred to stallions of Ribot's ilk or not if she would have generated a legacy based on such an unfortunate and small sample .. .

Let me clarify than that the blood horse article I alluded to states Tosmah, pardon my previous spelling and thank you for correcting me, was eventually bred to a good sire, but she never produced anything of any note by that sire. (As you state she only produced one foal by Ribot.)

The point I was making in my response to Freedy however was not that Tosmah wasn't bred to a good sire eventually.

The point I was making was that there is no guarantee that Rachel, or any female horse for that matter, will ever produce a foal. Rachel may only produce a foal her first few times and than stop producing - as Tosmah did. And if this were to be the case I would rather her first few times be with a proven sire since than she was be accorded a better chance to pass on her greatness to future generations.

I used Tosmah as an example to illustrate what the article implied which is if Tosmah had been bred to Ribot in the beginning, who was a proven sire, she would have been more likely to produced a top quality race horse if she were to have his foal.

If Rachel was my horse, which she is not, I would want to bred her to a proven sire and than when and if Curlin were to prove himself as a sire, I would breed Rachel to Curlin.

Rachel only has so many opportunities to produce a foal and each one should be to a horse who would accord her the best chance to produce a top horse. The owners of Tosmah made the mistake of not doing this and though there is no guarantee that Tosmah would have produced a great horse if she was bred to Ribot and had produced his foals in the beginning instead of Convex and Royal I. J. it certainly would have been more likely to have happened that way.

If you disagree please let me know because I would like to know what I am not seeing here if I am wrong in my thought process.

Please respond

[Danzig]

federico tesio said breed the best to the best, and then hope for the best. there's no telling what rachel will produce, or any horse will produce for that matter. it's a crap shoot. i remember that genuine risk was bred to secretariat, everyone was excited about two derby winners producing a foal. it didn't end well, with the foal stillborn. and of course genuine risk ended up star-crossed as a broodmare, producing only two foals.

the thing is, i think it's a shame that we have so few horses sticking around racing that some are reduced to cheering on the breeding process.

[Kingturf]

Originally Posted by Danzig

federico tesio said breed the best to the best, and then hope for the best. there's no telling what rachel will produce, or any horse will produce for that matter. it's a crap shoot. i remember that genuine risk was bred to secretariat, everyone was excited about two derby winners producing a foal. it didn't end well, with the foal stillborn. and of course genuine risk ended up star-crossed as a broodmare, producing only two foals.

the thing is, i think it's a shame that we have so few horses sticking around racing that some are reduced to cheering on the breeding process.

Genuine Reward was one of Genuine Risk foals, never made it to the track and if he did, Bill Mott was to train him. Heard he's standing stud in Wyoming.

Seattle Dancer- half to Seattle Slew(Nijinsky II) went for 13.1 million as a yearling. Made something like 100k on the track...never produced

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kingturf

Seattle Dancer- half to Seattle Slew(Nijinsky II) went for 13.1 million as a yearling. Made something like 100k on the track...never produced

It would have been VERY impressive if he did produce.

[Kingturf]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It would have been VERY impressive if he did produce.

Damn dude, are you gay? Every post I make you got to come back with a corny ass comment on my post like you want suck my BBD.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kingturf

Damn dude, are you gay? Every post I make you got to come back with a corny ass comment on my post like you want suck my BBD.

You're the one that thinks colts " produce "....but I'm gay?

[my miss storm cat]

Personally I'm really surprised no one has mentioned the what if as in what if these two race against the Sea the Stars / Zarkava baby.

As an aside, the first "See Rachel" day...

http://stonestr.net10.net/info/?page_id=139

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

federico tesio said breed the best to the best, and then hope for the best. there's no telling what rachel will produce, or any horse will produce for that matter. it's a crap shoot. i remember that genuine risk was bred to secretariat, everyone was excited about two derby winners producing a foal. it didn't end well, with the foal stillborn. and of course genuine risk ended up star-crossed as a broodmare, producing only two foals.

the thing is, i think it's a shame that we have so few horses sticking around racing that some are reduced to cheering on the breeding process.

I think we all know you are a huge fan of the breeding process

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think we all know you are a huge fan of the breeding process

[prudery]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Let me clarify than that the blood horse article I alluded to states Tosmah, pardon my previous spelling and thank you for correcting me, was eventually bred to a good sire, but she never produced anything of any note by that sire. (As you state she only produced one foal by Ribot.)

The point I was making in my response to Freedy however was not that Tosmah wasn't bred to a good sire eventually.

The point I was making was that there is no guarantee that Rachel, or any female horse for that matter, will ever produce a foal. Rachel may only produce a foal her first few times and than stop producing - as Tosmah did. And if this were to be the case I would rather her first few times be with a proven sire since than she was be accorded a better chance to pass on her greatness to future generations.

I used Tosmah as an example to illustrate what the article implied which is if Tosmah had been bred to Ribot in the beginning, who was a proven sire, she would have been more likely to produced a top quality race horse if she were to have his foal.

If Rachel was my horse, which she is not, I would want to bred her to a proven sire and than when and if Curlin were to prove himself as a sire, I would breed Rachel to Curlin.

Rachel only has so many opportunities to produce a foal and each one should be to a horse who would accord her the best chance to produce a top horse. The owners of Tosmah made the mistake of not doing this and though there is no guarantee that Tosmah would have produced a great horse if she was bred to Ribot and had produced his foals in the beginning instead of Convex and Royal I. J. it certainly would have been more likely to have happened that way.

If you disagree please let me know because I would like to know what I am not seeing here if I am wrong in my thought process.

Please respond

I definately agree that a proven stallion should be first choice for Rachel or any other mare, especially a maiden mare of quality .

Even breeding to the best does not guarantee anything--to whit Lady's Secret who never produced anything of her ability .