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Old 02-19-2011, 06:35 PM
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What the state could do is simply refuse to renew his license when it expires. There surely is grounds to do so and plenty of precedent. The state could easily argue its case using the plethora of examples from the Harness business that they have refused to license. While not every state would be required to reciprocate it would probably be more effective than the current situation.
Would that really do any good though?

All he would need is a groom or hotwalker license and a program trainer. Remember how Cleveland Johnson was like a 40% trainer when Dutrow got 60 days and he filled in about 9 or 10 years ago? Cleveland Johnson went out on his own - and was like a low profile Jeff Odintz.
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Old 02-19-2011, 06:47 PM
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Would that really do any good though?

All he would need is a groom or hotwalker license and a program trainer. Remember how Cleveland Johnson was like a 40% trainer when Dutrow got 60 days and he filled in about 9 or 10 years ago? Cleveland Johnson went out on his own - and was like a low profile Jeff Odintz.
Losing your license means more than just transferring the horses to someone else. They can refuse to license him in any capacity. Plus after a period of time if you apply and receive a license many times it will be conditional on not getting any violations of any manner. When I worked at Yonkers for a few years there were plenty of people who were denied licenses. Can you work around it for a period of time? Sure but it makes things a whole lot more difficult.
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Old 02-19-2011, 06:52 PM
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Losing your license means more than just transferring the horses to someone else. They can refuse to license him in any capacity. Plus after a period of time if you apply and receive a license many times it will be conditional on not getting any violations of any manner. When I worked at Yonkers for a few years there were plenty of people who were denied licenses. Can you work around it for a period of time? Sure but it makes things a whole lot more difficult.
You don't think it will turn into something that happened at Philly Park when McCaslin had all of his problems ... and supposedly his operation started using laughable phony program trainers like Jayne Vaders and Ed Auwarter ... who both turned from 3% trainers into 30% Alchemist wonders overnight?
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Old 02-19-2011, 06:59 PM
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You don't think it will turn into something that happened at Philly Park when McCaslin had all of his problems ... and supposedly his operation started using laughable phony program trainers like Jayne Vaders and Ed Auwarter ... who both turned from 3% trainers into 30% Alchemist wonders overnight?
Each case is different. No one cares about Philly Park.
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