How fast was Raise A Native?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Raise A Native ran four times - on 3 occasions he broke the track record in victory - the other time he equaled his own track record. He's probably best known for siring both Mr. Prospector and Alydar.

Hard to call a horse a great race horse when they've never raced past 5.5 furlongs - and broke down before the summer of their 2yo season was complete. He was headed for greatness though.

I only have one cut of his PP's - and one chart of a race of his - that would be career start #2 on the Carter Handicap undercard.



Raise A Native won his debut in Feb of his 2yo season going 3fs at Hialeah. He won by 6 lengths in a 14 horse field...a gigantic winning margin for that distance.

On the Carter Handicap undercard day - he won by 8 lengths going 5fs in 57 4/5ths.

The 2nd place finisher Ramblin Road (beaten 8) won a stakes race by 4 lengths in Canada next time out .. the 2nd place finisher to him was the great Northern Dancer.

Mr. Brick was 3rd by 8.5 lengths in this race ... he won the Sapling as a 2yo. He set the pace for a mile before fading to 6th in Northern Dancer's track record setting Kentucky Derby win the following year. Mr. Brick was also won the Withers by 4 lengths and was 2nd in good races like the Wood Memorial, Flamingo, Jersey Derby, and Gotham.

Admiral's Voyage won The Carter in 1:22 2/5 that day.



Historically speaking - the winning Beyer Par for the Carter is a 111 - and Admiral's Voyage was certainly no slouch.

I project a 112 for the Carter - a 101 for Raise A Native, a 77 for Ramblin Road and a 75 for Mr. Brick

However, it's worth noting that the chart of every single race that day claimed horses race "with wind in backstretch" ... this is something that can screw up a Beyer figure. Horses in the Carter benefited from an extra two-furlongs with a strong wind at their back. This was a case where a Ragozin figure might have had Raise A Native as fast as the Carter winner. Certainly Ramblin Road and Mr. Brick moved WAY up in a hurry on their mid 70's stuff that day.

[RolloTomasi]

That's a pretty impressive worktab in late April-early May for Raise A Native.

3 days between uber-fast breezes. Didn't let a sloppy track get in the way, either.

What did the "B" stand for in B. Parke's name? Blaze? Breeze? Balls Out? Breakneck? Butcher?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think you'll be amused by this column written by Steve Wolfsen about Raise A Native....

Here are a few of my favorite quotes:

* the Title:

Parke's patience a classic for all time

*

We were particularly excited in early 1963 because the "Futurity King"-a nickname Parke earned because of his legendary patience and great success with young stock-was so enthused about a robust two-year-old son of Native Dancer.

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a six-furlong work in a blistering 1:11 prepping for the Sapling Stakes resulted in a bowed tendon and retirement.

* Final line:

None of those horses would be here had Burley Parke's wisdom and great patience not prevailed over Raise a Native's strength and stubbornness.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/com...-all-time.aspx

[Indian Charlie]

Odd. Charles Hatton wrote of Raise A Native that he was a pretty kind and willing horse with a really good temperament.

He also claimed that he took a bad step in that workout that caused his career ending injury.

Besides Alydar and Mr P, he also sired the great sire Exclusive Native and super freak Majestic Prince.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I never knew Raise A Native was owned by Harbor View. So, the Wolfson's raced both Affirmed and the sire of Alydar.

Even as late as the mid 60's ... the worktabs on horses were kind of crazy. Look at Northern Dancer's worktab going into the Belmont Stakes.



Both he and his main rival Hill Rise work 4 furlongs on May 31st - and the very next day, they work 1 1/4 miles.



Another odd thing - not only was Hill Rise favored over Northern Dancer in both the Derby and Preakness - but look at the odds spread in the Preakness. Hill Rise was 4/5 and Northern Dancer was 2/1.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I never knew Raise A Native was owned by Harbor View. So, the Wolfson's raced both Affirmed and the sire of Alydar.

Even as late as the mid 60's ... the worktabs on horses were kind of crazy. Look at Northern Dancer's worktab going into the Belmont Stakes.



Both he and his main rival Hill Rise work 4 furlongs on May 31st - and the very next day, they work 1 1/4 miles.



Another odd thing - not only was Hill Rise favored over Northern Dancer in both the Derby and Preakness - but look at the odds spread in the Preakness. Hill Rise was 4/5 and Northern Dancer was 2/1.

Horses seemed to thrive off heavy training back then. I remember John Veitch working Alydar 3 times between the Preakness and the Belmont including one work at 1 1/2, following a 3 furlong breeze the day prior..

[smuthg]

From CNNSI on Top Ten Thrills in Horse Racing. Whether you like the list or not, this is a pretty good comment on Raise A Native...

4. Raise A Native

The blindingly fast son of Native Dancer won all four of his races as a 2-year-old in 1962, seducing the sport with his speed and potential, breaking track records three times. Charles Hatton, the legendary columnist for The Daily Racing Form once wrote: "Raise a Native worked five furlongs along the Belmont backstretch today. The trees swayed.'' Such was his allure. He ran only those four races before a tendon injury ended his racing career.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...#ixzz1EEoRE7GN

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Horses seemed to thrive off heavy training back then. I remember John Veitch working Alydar 3 times between the Preakness and the Belmont including one work at 1 1/2, following a 3 furlong breeze the day prior..

It's crazy why that is. I know I've said this before here, but ...

Assault had 24 workouts between Feb 3rd and March 30th of his 3yo season - 22 of the 24 workouts came between the distances of 4 furlongs and a mile.

He won the Wood Memorial on April 20th, finishing 4th in the Derby Trial Stakes on April 30th, won the Ky Derby on May 4th, and won the Preakness on May 11th.

After four tough races between April 20th and May 11th, he was shipped to Belmont Park on May 12th.

He worked 4 furlongs on May 16th, 3 furlongs on May 18th, 4 furlongs on May 20th, 8 furlongs on May 22nd, 3 furlongs on May 24th, 10 furlongs on May 25th, 4 furlongs on May 28th, followed by a 12 furlong work in 2:32 flat on May 29th.

So, after winning the Preakness on May 11th, he was put through a series of 8 published workouts before winning the June 1st Belmont by 3 lengths

After winning the Belmont - he was given a rest of 3 days before he returned to the worktab on June 5th, and again on June 7th, and again on June 9th, and again on June 11th, and again on June 13th, before winning the Dwyer by 4.5 lengths on June 15th.

Assault managed to stay around long enough to win the Brooklyn Handicap at age 6 and was retired after a 7th place finish in the Hollywood Gold Cup in December of his 7yo season.

Can you imagine a trainer working a horse 8 times in between the Preakness and Belmont?