AP Source: Obama to seek changes in Pell Grants - Page 3

Nascar1966 · #41 02-14-2011, 02:18 PM

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There's one. What are the other 8 million doing?

I've no doubt there is the rare abuse. The acts of one don't reflect the acts of millions**

(**unless you are a Muslim, I guess)

Did I say everyone was doing it that way? Put words into my mouth. You like to do it to other people.

Riot · #42 02-14-2011, 03:32 PM

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Did I say everyone was doing it that way? Put words into my mouth. You like to do it to other people.

Did I say I was putting words into your mouth? Did I say not everyone was doing it that way?

Riot · #43 02-14-2011, 03:33 PM

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I knew this was going to come up some time on here.

Ah. Violence.

Okay

They were going to pelt him with shoes. That wouldn't have gone well.

Nascar1966 · #44 02-14-2011, 04:04 PM

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Did I say I was putting words into your mouth? Did I say not everyone was doing it that way?

Keep on crying wolf.

Riot · #45 02-14-2011, 04:07 PM

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Keep on crying wolf.

Did I say anything about a wolf? Did I say anything about crying? Did I say you should keep it?

dellinger63 · #46 02-14-2011, 09:38 PM

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Seems like a good way to cut out some costs without impacting students in a significant way. Isn't that what we want government to do? Cut the wasteful spending?

This seems similar to the good move of eliminating banks as middlemen for student loans - banks were getting a check for mailing in paperwork to the government, then passing out the check to the student when the government approved. Big waste. Now the student can deal directly with the government. Good thing.

I agree. Hey it's Valentine's Day and I found common ground with you. LMAO

Tho NASCAR is 'a friend of ours'

GenuineRisk · #47 02-15-2011, 09:49 AM

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This is education we are talking about here. You dont think there are other programs that can be cut or eliminated? Yes I am in agreement with you that cuts do need to be made to reduce the deficit.

Defense.

GenuineRisk · #48 02-15-2011, 09:49 AM

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Bush should of been impeached if you ask me.

Who did you vote for in 2004?

jms62 · #49 02-15-2011, 10:11 AM

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Who did you vote for in 2004?

GenuineRisk · #50 02-15-2011, 10:25 AM

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You might be right right. Consider this also some folks stay unemployed because they make more collecting unemployment.

No one makes more money collecting unemployment, as it's based on what the person earned before.

Even were a misanthropic statement like this true, and it's a popular meme in right-wing circles these days (if you take support away from the destitute they'll CHOOSE not to be destitute!), I would still support unemployment benefits, for the simple reason that it benefits me (no, I am not on unemployment). Unemployment benefits, like food stamps, are one of the most effective ways of pumping money into the economy. They work because they are immediately spent: on food, on rent, on gas, on car repairs. That money, taxed from corporations and given to those looking for work, goes back to private businesses in the form of money paid for necessities. It's a symbiotic relationship. We live in a consumption based economy. If people aren't purchasing things, our entire economy suffers. When the economy suffers, we all suffer, unless we are the super-wealthy who live off of investment income, and even then we eventually start to suffer, though not to the level the middle-class do.

Tax cuts to the wealthy do not benefit the economy in the same way, as they tend to invest the extra money (because they actually have extra money), rather than spend it to the degree that the unemployed spend their benefits. Unemployment benefits go, in their entirety, right back into the economy. Which is good for all of us.

The other reason for their existence is that they give people an opportunity to look for work in their field, rather than being economically forced to take the first job available. A technician with two kids who has to immediately take a job at Denny's washing dishes because he has no savings is a technician who is not available to go out on job interviews for openings in his field.

And that's the other thing with unemployment- you must, at any moment, be ready to show that you've been looking for work or your benefits will be cut.

I realize for the DTers who don't believe anything Rush and Beck told them to think, this post will be ignored, but I hope it was at least passably informative to the moderates. Very little media attention is given to the economic benefits of unemployment insurance, and they are, in fact, fairly substantial.

Nascar1966 · #51 02-15-2011, 04:25 PM

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Who did you vote for in 2004?

No one.

Nascar1966 · #52 02-15-2011, 04:26 PM

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Dont you have some toilets to clean?

Riot · #53 02-15-2011, 04:46 PM

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GenuineRisk: Who did you vote for in 2004?

Nascar: No one.

Can't fulfill your own constitutional responsibilities as a citizen, but you enjoy being one of the biggest, nastiest complainers about our government? You've just negated the value of any opinions you have.

Nascar1966 · #54 02-15-2011, 04:53 PM

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Can't fulfill your own constitutional responsibilities as a citizen, but you enjoy being one of the biggest, nastiest complainers about our government? You've just negated the value of any opinions you have.

I did vote in 08. I was away on deployment in 04 know it all. Hope you had a nice Valentine's Day. I did. I didn't have to see you. When Obama vetos the Republican budget bill and the if the government has to shut down I am sure you will blame it on the Republicans like you always do.

Riot · #55 02-15-2011, 04:58 PM

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I did vote in 08. I was away on deployment in 04 know it all.

Deployed troops still vote, know it all.

Nascar1966 · #56 02-15-2011, 04:59 PM

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Deployed troops still vote.

True. Maybe I was in a combat zone. I will laugh when Obamacare takes effect and you get less from the insurance companies. Lets see how much you like Obama then.

Riot · #57 02-15-2011, 05:19 PM

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True. Maybe I was in a combat zone. I will laugh when Obamacare takes effect and you get less from the insurance companies. Lets see how much you like Obama then.

Actually, my insurance premiums will go down, and I will gain insurance for all the "preexisting conditions" that are completely uninsureable now. Can't wait.

Nascar1966 · #58 02-15-2011, 05:50 PM

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Actually, my insurance premiums will go down, and I will gain insurance for all the "preexisting conditions" that are completely uninsureable now. Can't wait.

No wonder you want Obamacare. No wonder you like Obama. Another one of his followers getting a handout or break in insurance rates. Wonder if someone else's rate will go up if they dont use a doctor as much you will? Someone has to help pay for you.

Riot · #59 02-15-2011, 05:51 PM

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No wonder you want the Obamacare.

I want the 30 million uninsured that I am now helping pay for, every time they go to a doctor or an emergency room, to have their own health insurance.

Nascar1966 · #60 02-15-2011, 05:53 PM

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I want the 30 million uninsured that I am now helping pay for, every time they go to a doctor or an emergency room, to have their own health insurance.

Ya right. If you are doctor as someone claimed you are shouldnt you be able to afford what you pay now?