Egypt

[Danzig]

let's see if we can get back on track, perhaps steve could start a name-calling room so we could move the personal attacks out of here.

now, yemen:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37281717...deastn_africa/


we must do everything we can to ensure that democracy wins out in these revolutions. the last thing we need is theocracy to become the govt of choice here, or egypt for that matter. they say they want an egypt-style revolt; so here's hoping egypt can pave the way in the right...er, correct direction. we need to throw support behind any democratic movements, because we know iran will be throwing support behind movements to have islamic-law based govt. that would be a step backwards-especially if it was to occur in egypt. i don't see it happening there, but yemen has a huge al queda population.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

let's see if we can get back on track, perhaps steve could start a name-calling room so we could move the personal attacks out of here.

now, yemen:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37281717...deastn_africa/


we must do everything we can to ensure that democracy wins out in these revolutions. the last thing we need is theocracy to become the govt of choice here, or egypt for that matter. they say they want an egypt-style revolt; so here's hoping egypt can pave the way in the right...er, correct direction. we need to throw support behind any democratic movements, because we know iran will be throwing support behind movements to have islamic-law based govt. that would be a step backwards-especially if it was to occur in egypt. i don't see it happening there, but yemen has a huge al queda population.

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

that's the thing, what egypt has begun may turn out to be a good thing. that's why we have to do everything we can to nudge them in the right direction, which they seem to be doing already. keep them on track, get a positive outcome-and others will follow.
instead of us propping up dictators, we should have been encouraging stuff like this all along. our foreign policy has been a disgrace for years, now we can set things aright. i hope.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's the thing, what egypt has begun may turn out to be a good thing. that's why we have to do everything we can to nudge them in the right direction, which they seem to be doing already. keep them on track, get a positive outcome-and others will follow.
instead of us propping up dictators, we should have been encouraging stuff like this all along. our foreign policy has been a disgrace for years, now we can set things aright. i hope.

Though this could also be the beginning of a nightmare. If suspicions are correct and the Muslim Brotherhood is the front to put theocracy in place this could be very bad for the U.S.A. and catastrophic for Israel.

We should have a huge say regarding what becomes of the new government simply because of the aid money provided each year. However with the current climate of self-loathing for America's past this administration has shown I can only hope and cross my fingers.

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41559566...ess-media_biz/


bahrain showing signs of revolt. tunisia of course is also having protests, and note at the bottom of the above article that kuwait also gets mention.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41559566...ess-media_biz/


bahrain showing signs of revolt. tunisia of course is also having protests, and note at the bottom of the above article that kuwait also gets mention.

And Algeria

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Though this could also be the beginning of a nightmare. If suspicions are correct and the Muslim Brotherhood is the front to put theocracy in place this could be very bad for the U.S.A. and catastrophic for Israel.

We should have a huge say regarding what becomes of the new government simply because of the aid money provided each year. However with the current climate of self-loathing for America's past this administration has shown I can only hope and cross my fingers.

self-loathing? i'm not quite sure what you mean...i do think our foreign policy went way off track in the last few years, and it could use some serious attention. we have a real opportunity to nudge countries over there in the right direction. we haven't set a great example lately of democracy in action with our heavy-handed ways. but with greater information flowing, hopefully people will want real democracy there, and not exchange one type of dictatorship with another. gulf '91 was one of our shining moments in that region. we haven't shone much over there since then.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Though this could also be the beginning of a nightmare. If suspicions are correct and the Muslim Brotherhood is the front to put theocracy in place

Who is saying the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a front for theocracy? (other than Glenn Beck)

We should have a huge say regarding what becomes of the new government simply because of the aid money provided each year. However with the current climate of self-loathing for America's past this administration has shown I can only hope and cross my fingers

Really?

[Nascar1966]

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Who is saying the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a front for theocracy? (other than Glenn Beck)



Really?

Here is some good reading for you about the Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy

Im sure you will say it is made up and a lie.

[dellinger63]

[quote=Riot;752053]

Who is saying the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a front for theocracy? (other than Glenn Beck)



Really?

An Egyptian journalist named Sameh Fawzy. He's a lot closer to the situation than Kentucky. He stated, "Of course, the huge gains in the 2005 parliamentary elections allowed the Brotherhood to pose "a democratic political challenge to the regime, not a theological one" .[40] Initially, there has been widespread skepticism regarding the movement's commitment to use its influence to push Egypt forward towards a democratic state. For instance, briefly after the elections Sameh Fawzy remarked in the Al-Ahram Weekly newspaper, "If the Muslim Brotherhood were in a position to enforce its ideological monopoly, the vast majority of the populace would face severe restrictions on its freedom of opinion and belief, not just on religious matters, but on social, political, economic and cultural affairs as well"

[Riot]

Dell said:

An Egyptian journalist named Sameh Fawzy. He's a lot closer to the situation than Kentucky.

And Wisconsin

Now I have to go post the Egyptian journalists who say differently for you

Rather than journalists, how about we look at what ambassadors, those involved politically, have to say?

He stated, "Of course, the huge gains in the 2005 parliamentary elections allowed the Brotherhood to pose "a democratic political challenge to the regime, not a theological one" .[40] Initially, there has been widespread skepticism regarding the movement's commitment to use its influence to push Egypt forward towards a democratic state. For instance, briefly after the elections Sameh Fawzy remarked in the Al-Ahram Weekly newspaper, [b]"If the Muslim Brotherhood were in a position to enforce its ideological monopoly, the vast majority of the populace would face severe restrictions on its freedom of opinion and belief, not just on religious matters, but on social, political, economic and cultural affairs as well"

Provide the link and the author, please. That's obviously an opinion piece - not a piece by Fawzy, but partially quoting him. So you're quoting a partial quote being made by someone else writing an opinion piece.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's the thing, what egypt has begun may turn out to be a good thing. that's why we have to do everything we can to nudge them in the right direction, which they seem to be doing already. keep them on track, get a positive outcome-and others will follow.
instead of us propping up dictators, we should have been encouraging stuff like this all along. our foreign policy has been a disgrace for years, now we can set things aright. i hope.

one thing is true. George Bush II understood all this.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

one thing is true. George Bush II understood all this.

Another thing that rings true is Obama hasn't a clue.

The diplomats at the State Department view the Egyptian crisis through the lens of American strategic interests in the region, its threat to the 1979 peace accord between Egypt and Israel, and its effects on the Middle East peace process.

Makes a lot of sense, you know looking out for American Strategic Interests and all ^^^^^^

Meanwhile and here’s where it gets scary.

Workers in the West Wing also worried that if Mr. Obama did not encourage the young people in the streets with forceful, even inspiring language, he would be accused of abandoning the ideals he expressed in his 2009 speech in Cairo.

So did the voters who sided with Obama expect him to act on his ideals expressed in a speech or for American strategic interests?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/wo...ewanted=2&_r=1

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Another thing that rings true is Obama hasn't a clue.

The diplomats at the State Department view the Egyptian crisis through the lens of American strategic interests in the region, its threat to the 1979 peace accord between Egypt and Israel, and its effects on the Middle East peace process.

Makes a lot of sense, you know looking out for American Strategic Interests and all ^^^^^^

Meanwhile and here’s where it gets scary.

Workers in the West Wing also worried that if Mr. Obama did not encourage the young people in the streets with forceful, even inspiring language, he would be accused of abandoning the ideals he expressed in his 2009 speech in Cairo.

So did the voters who sided with Obama expect him to act on his ideals expressed in a speech or for American strategic interests?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/wo...ewanted=2&_r=1

Obama hasnt had a clue since January 2009.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

I remember paying Gaddafi a visit back in 1986. He had to learn a lesson the hard way.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

One huge positve to come out of Egypt.