Twirling Candy Love....

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

A dream trip for that horse is unpressed on a loose lead not galloping a half under restraint. This is the flaw I think many make. If that horse wanted too he could have run a bigger race by simply burying bad horses and running off.

Hah! Who's flip flopping now?

This morning he was rating kindly from all the "learning" he'd done by skipping the BC Classic after having his tail shoved between his legs in the Goodwood by the West Coast version of Giant Oak...Richard's Kid.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hah! Who's flip flopping now?

This morning he was rating kindly from all the "learning" he'd done by skipping the BC Classic after having his tail shoved between his legs in the Goodwood by the West Coast version of Giant Oak...Richard's Kid.

Up to this point Richards Kid and Giant Oak are pretty similar, but I would say as of now Richards Kid is still better. The Goodwood has nothing to do with TC ability. Going long on dirt, is different from going long on crap.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Up to this point Richards Kid and Giant Oak are pretty similar, but I would say as of now Richards Kid is still better.

I was just teasing Freddy with that. Besides, he still has yet to come up with an answer as to why Morning Line getting tagged by Dakota Phone in the BC Mile after BC Sprint-like fractions is worse than Twirling Candy getting outright passed by Dakota Phone after merely solid fractions.

I think we all agree Dakota Phone is no Richard's Kid...or Giant Oak.

The Goodwood has nothing to do with TC ability. Going long on dirt, is different from going long on crap.

Yeah, I was waiting for this.

He handles all 3 surfaces, but each only over certain distances.

I guess that downhill slide from a 108 Beyer at 7f down to 101 at 9f over the same surface doesn't suggest anything about his ability to go long.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hah! Who's flip flopping now?

This morning he was rating kindly from all the "learning" he'd done by skipping the BC Classic after having his tail shoved between his legs in the Goodwood by the West Coast version of Giant Oak...Richard's Kid.

My point is that Twirling Candy best race currently would be loose on a n uncontested lead that doesnt suggest he cant rate or wont we already watched him rate didnt we?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by freddymo

My point is that Twirling Candy best race currently would be loose on a n uncontested lead that doesnt suggest he cant rate or wont we already watched him rate didnt we?

He rates fine. Im not even sure why thats an issue.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He rates fine. Im not even sure why thats an issue.

The only time Twirling Candy rated around two turns was in the Oceanside, where Macias led, open-mouthed until midstretch. One race later, Macias nearly killed himself running off in the La Jolla to the benefit of Sidney's Candy's inflated reputation.

Otherwise, Twirling Candy has "pulled", which is hardly rating fine. That style won't be ideal for a race with multiple pace rivals, eg. the most recent BC Classic...or this year's Donn.

[freddymo]

Pulling because your cruise speed is super high is different then pulling to exhaust yourself.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Pulling because your cruise speed is super high is different then pulling to exhaust yourself.

I hate to agree with you, but I could not agree more. Plus he settled down Saturday and was never really asked for much. There is more to this horse.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Pulling because your cruise speed is super high is different then pulling to exhaust yourself.

What the fucl< are you talking about?

Pulling means he's fighting the jock's restraint, period. His running style is a couple of degrees away from being deemed "rank". It will be a weakness if and when he faces other class opponents. Therefore, he will be quite vulnerable to a heavy pace scenario in a route if he actually ever lines up in a race of that potential.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What the fucl< are you talking about?

Pulling means he's fighting the jock's restraint, period. His running style is a couple of degrees away from being deemed "rank". It will be a weakness if and when he faces other class opponents. Therefore, he will be quite vulnerable to a heavy pace scenario in a route if he actually ever lines up in a race of that potential.

Go watch the race a few times zoom in on TC. He is hardly a hand full and way more settled then is previous races. You are going to have to drop the preconceived BS and really watch the colt is just fast