Twirling Candy Love....

freddymo · #1 02-07-2011, 12:21 PM

Oh so Twirling candy is the fav to win the Big Cap(should we toss the Gold Cup and Pac Cap in as well?) but will be switching up for the Cigar Mile and the dirt mile at BC later in the year. No Dressage?

Rail Trip had like what 13 starts in 3 years and a 8 month break from 09 to '10.. What was he doing studying for the Bar?

Oh yeah they were mighty accomplished. One had 1 race in forever, a lawsuit and new leg, one was a stem cell survivor, one was second off a layoff for connections you deemed miserable, and one that couldnt have faced a crappier field in the BC mile ran his heart out and still couldnt beat a 30/1 shot..Oh I forgot Fly Down is thru and Ron the Greek is heading to Penn Nat.

Again who cares who holds track records as they are always the product of track conditions vs. horse power.. Does anyone think that the GP turf mile record is meaningful even though its 1:31?

As for Brad Free. I always have respected his opinion and while he is very capable of being wrong and while I might disagree with him he is certainly qualified to have a very defendable position which is based on years of expertises

Travis Stone · #2 02-07-2011, 12:44 PM

For what it's worth, it's not like Twirling Candy would have much to beat on the East Coast right now if Giant Oak is the divisional leader at this point.

Nascar1966 · #3 02-07-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

For what it's worth, it's not like Twirling Candy would have much to beat on the East Coast right now if Giant Oak is the divisional leader at this point.

Good point you have brought up. Im thinking the same holds true for the West Coast. Aggie Engineer had the chance yesterday to throw his hat into the leading handicap horse for the West Coast and failed. I would laugh if any American horse makes the trip to Dubai next month for the ten million dollar race.

RockHardTen1985 · #4 02-07-2011, 01:39 PM

He is the best older horse in the country right now, even though at this point its by default because everyone else stinks. Who from the Donn would you take over him? Twirling Candy interests me because I believe he still has a ton of room to improve, and can run well on all surfaces.

Dahoss · #5 02-07-2011, 02:19 PM

I think Morning Line is better than Twirling Candy. He has actually shown the ability to withstand serious pace pressure and still run very well. Not saying Twirling Candy can't, but his race was much easier quality wise on Saturday.

I thought it was an encouraging race by I Want Revenge (but how much could he possibly have left?) and Rule ran okay, while moving prematurely. IMO Sidney's Candy is better than Twirling Candy.

RockHardTen1985 · #6 02-07-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think Morning Line is better than Twirling Candy. He has actually shown the ability to withstand serious pace pressure and still run very well. Not saying Twirling Candy can't, but his race was much easier quality wise on Saturday.

I thought it was an encouraging race by I Want Revenge (but how much could he possibly have left?) and Rule ran okay, while moving prematurely. IMO Sidney's Candy is better than Twirling Candy.

Morning Line is starting to feel like the type of horse who will run well, but not win. Lets not forget, he barley held off super hanger First Dude for his big win. The horse who gunned him down in the Mile is a total slug, and really what is Giant Oak? I defended Morning Line and said I thought he ran as well as anyone both days BC, I also think he ran well Saturday.... Something just does not seem right. Rule was never good IMO, and is not very good now. Sidneys Candy might be better then Twirling, but they both might just be really really good.

Dahoss · #7 02-07-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Morning Line is starting to feel like the type of horse who will run well, but not win. Lets not forget, he barley held off super hanger First Dude for his big win. The horse who gunned him down in the Mile is a total slug, and really what is Giant Oak? I defended Morning Line and said I thought he ran as well as anyone both days BC, I also think he ran well Saturday.... Something just does not seem right. Rule was never good IMO, and is not very good now. Sidneys Candy might be better then Twirling, but they both might just be really really good.

Does what happen in races matter at all? If Moning Line is in the Strub and Twirling Candy is in the Donn, I think ML jogs and TC probably finishes off the board.

I do think it's hilarious you are picking apart Morning Line's competition while seemingly ignoring Twirling Candy was beating Tweebster in his race.

knickslions2 · #8 02-07-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Morning Line is starting to feel like the type of horse who will run well, but not win. Lets not forget, he barley held off super hanger First Dude for his big win. The horse who gunned him down in the Mile is a total slug, and really what is Giant Oak? I defended Morning Line and said I thought he ran as well as anyone both days BC, I also think he ran well Saturday.... Something just does not seem right. Rule was never good IMO, and is not very good now. Sidneys Candy might be better then Twirling, but they both might just be really really good.

The Donn was pretty much a great setup for Giant Oak. I thought he was a pretty good bet to win. Its hard to pick between the Candy's. They are both pretty solid horses. Twirling just seems to have more potential in the long run. I doubt we will ever see them in the same race. It's going to be a fun year.

freddymo · #9 02-07-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think Morning Line is better than Twirling Candy. He has actually shown the ability to withstand serious pace pressure and still run very well. Not saying Twirling Candy can't, but his race was much easier quality wise on Saturday.

I thought it was an encouraging race by I Want Revenge (but how much could he possibly have left?) and Rule ran okay, while moving prematurely. IMO Sidney's Candy is better than Twirling Candy.

Come on man that was a bad bad group in the Donn. Where is Morning Line's fast race?

Dahoss · #10 02-07-2011, 03:16 PM

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Come on man that was a bad bad group in the Donn. Where is Morning Line's fast race?

They are all bad Freddy. That is the point. You guys are getting excited because a horse had a dream trip and crushed Tweebster and Make Music For me.

Kasept · #11 02-07-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Come on man that was a bad bad group in the Donn. Where is Morning Line's fast race?

He is consistantly fast Freddy, though not blindingly so. He stays a route of ground at a high and level cruising speed. I'm not sure why you would require a Tiznow out of an A.P. Indy mare to be excruciatingly fast, but the BC Mile and the SAR Allowance win were both negative numbers for him on Thoro-Graph coming in, and Saturday's race will fall close to a -1 as well. (That would be a top for him.)