LOL -- A warning from Napolitano

[Danzig]

i'm absolutely sure, princess, that's exactly what he means. people always go from one extreme to another, and then wonder why their opinion gets discounted.

if you actually got rid of everyone here that wasn't a citizen, the price of goods would skyrocket, and the deficit would skyrocket.
by the same token, if you made a path to citizenship for all here illegally, the same would happen.
if you 'let them all in', we'd have a mess as well. the govt is doing it's very best to act as tho they want to change things, while keeping the status quo, as economically it makes the most sense. illegals who commit crimes are unwelcome here. the problem with that part of it is no one has a crystal ball to see the future and recognize ahead of time who those people are.

most illegals that some on here are in a rush to disparage are hard working folks who only seek to make a better life. they come here to work because it's better than at home, with them trading better pay and working conditions for feeding our federal budget with nothing to show for it later.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm absolutely sure, princess, that's exactly what he means. people always go from one extreme to another, and then wonder why their opinion gets discounted.

if you actually got rid of everyone here that wasn't a citizen, the price of goods would skyrocket, and the deficit would skyrocket.
by the same token, if you made a path to citizenship for all here illegally, the same would happen.
if you 'let them all in', we'd have a mess as well. the govt is doing it's very best to act as tho they want to change things, while keeping the status quo, as economically it makes the most sense. illegals who commit crimes are unwelcome here. the problem with that part of it is no one has a crystal ball to see the future and recognize ahead of time who those people are.

most illegals that some on here are in a rush to disparage are hard working folks who only seek to make a better life. they come here to work because it's better than at home, with them trading better pay and working conditions for feeding our federal budget with nothing to show for it later.

Instead of discounting information offered, it would be nice for someone to come up with facts and figures from a reputable source to indicate that illegal immigration is not costing the American tax payers exorbitant amounts of money.

At this stage and numbers of illegals, we can't just "kick them all out" even though it was promised in 1986 that something like this would never happen again. I fully realize that, but the government is not doing its best to control the situation. If they were, then employers employing illegals would be called to task, the social security administration would not allow an illegal to obtain a SS number, law enforcement hands are tied dealing with illegals who commit crimes - it's another don't ask don't tell situation. How bad does it have to get before an illegal is deported? How many of them actually are? Or, are they taking up USA taxpayer money by languishing in US jails which is probably better than any kind of accommodation they can get in their mother country?

The vast majority of illegals are here to work, to make a better life for themselves and their families. I don't doubt that. But, the fact remains that they are here ILLEGALLY and far too many people in this country, especially our lawmakers, have become comfortable with the situation. Amnesty is on the table because lawmakers of a certain ilk want that vote. Amnesty when the one in 1986 was promised to be the last one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Instead of discounting information offered, it would be nice for someone to come up with facts and figures from a reputable source to indicate that illegal immigration is not costing the American tax payers exorbitant amounts of money.

At this stage and numbers of illegals, we can't just "kick them all out" even though it was promised in 1986 that something like this would never happen again. I fully realize that, but the government is not doing its best to control the situation. If they were, then employers employing illegals would be called to task, the social security administration would not allow an illegal to obtain a SS number, law enforcement hands are tied dealing with illegals who commit crimes - it's another don't ask don't tell situation. How bad does it have to get before an illegal is deported? How many of them actually are? Or, are they taking up USA taxpayer money by languishing in US jails which is probably better than any kind of accommodation they can get in their mother country?

The vast majority of illegals are here to work, to make a better life for themselves and their families. I don't doubt that. But, the fact remains that they are here ILLEGALLY and far too many people in this country, especially our lawmakers, have become comfortable with the situation. Amnesty is on the table because lawmakers of a certain ilk want that vote. Amnesty when the one in 1986 was promised to be the last one.

the govt doesn't allow illegals to obtain ss numbers. it ignores the fact that money flowing in is flowing in on invalid numbers, thus ensuring the money coming in never pays out to that same number. illegals contribute quite a lot of money to taxes, while never having a way to get that money back upon retirement. that money is what helps ss/the feds to remain solvent. and yes, they are here under illegal means. however, we benefit more from them being here in that way then if we were to grant them citizenship or amnesty. why? because if they become citizens, they can get the money they pay into the system back out. have you heard the phrase cut off ones nose to spite ones face? no doubt you have, and that's exactly what you're proposing to do here. this isn't a black and white issue, in that it's either all good, or all bad.
ask yourself, why has nothing been changed in spite of the talk, the rhetoric, and the demand that 'we must do something'? it's because of what i said before, money. illegals trying to work the system are shown the door. those who contribute, who work, are not. employers who write down an ss number and contribue their matching money thru social security are left alone. employers who pay under the table are raided.

do you really think the govt would do nothing had they crunched the numbers and found we were losing funds due to the illegals??? yeah, right. the govt may be self absorbed, eager only for re-election...but they aren't stupid.

[dellinger63]

teach a US registered potential human broodmare with a less than valuable pedigree to become a equine hot-walker/groom instead or tax her and then look at the savings. Multiply that by all illegal jobs and we're talking big!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

teach a US registered potential human broodmare with a less than valuable pedigree to become a equine hot-walker/groom instead or tax her and then look at the savings. Multiply that by all illegal jobs and we're talking big!

lol
yeah, cause our upright citizens are begging for menial jobs with base pay. too easy to get on the dole.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
yeah, cause our upright citizens are begging for menial jobs with base pay. too easy to get on the dole.

not upright, but plenty of those on the dole to go around......and though broke obese at the same time.

[dellinger63]

Great experience at the grocery store tonight, while waiting in line to get coffee and bread the lady in front with a huge order but checked out has problems getting her card to go thru the right way. This woman's English comprehension seemed to be hey. After showing her which, way to point the magnetic strip I find it's a 'food stamp credit card' WTF with $479 balance after buying almost $100 WTF. Then she gets in a Escalade and knows how to operate the key-bob remote. WTF?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

teach a US registered potential human broodmare with a less than valuable pedigree to become a equine hot-walker/groom instead or tax her and then look at the savings. Multiply that by all illegal jobs and we're talking big!

another pretty damn stupid post

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

another pretty damn stupid post

Sorry ugly problems don't have pretty solutions.

With the social acceptence of single mother/teen pregnancy and the government providing lifetime support including healthcare, I'm afraid 'welfare mom' has become an acceptable vocation for young girls when it was originally intended as a safeguard for assisting a woman in need.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sorry ugly problems don't have pretty solutions.

With the social acceptence of single mother/teen pregnancy and the government providing lifetime support including healthcare, I'm afraid 'welfare mom' has become an acceptable vocation for young girls when it was originally intended as a safeguard for assisting a woman in need.

that boils down to bad parenting.

People should have to pass multiple tests before they should be allowed to become parents.