Now this is nuts

[Indian Charlie]

And since Roman Ruler is turning out to be at least a useful stallion, I would say that adds some value to Fupeg.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He gets a ton of nightmares though. He was bred to a million mares, many very good mares at one time. Plus unless the foals are perfect people are reluctant to pay good money for them because of how crazy and unsound they are.

I have no idea about the nightmares, but ok, I will surrender the point to you on this one.

That being said though, the whole thing with LaL reminds me very much of Vindication. He had to have had the greatest books of mares for his first two or three crops.

He didn't do much with those books, and that is my prediction for LaL.

And for awhile there, don't forget, I was about the only person on DT defending the horse as he went into his three year old season.

[AeWingnut]

Baffert trained horses (I remember) and their stud careers

Silver Charm - nope
Real Quiet - zippo
War Emblem - prefers other colts?
Point Given - slim
Congaree - ? may be ok
Vindication - so so


I can't remember many

the post race careers don't ever match their racing career.

Doesn't mean a whole heckuvalot

justa thought

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Baffert trained horses (I remember) and their stud careers

Silver Charm - nope
Real Quiet - zippo
War Emblem - prefers other colts?
Point Given - slim
Congaree - ? may be ok
Vindication - so so


I can't remember many

the post race careers don't ever match their racing career.

Doesn't mean a whole heckuvalot

justa thought

First off, Real Quiet was not a zippo.

Baffert also had another one from the same crop as Real Quiet, and he's been a tremendous success.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I have no idea about the nightmares, but ok, I will surrender the point to you on this one.

That being said though, the whole thing with LaL reminds me very much of Vindication. He had to have had the greatest books of mares for his first two or three crops.

He didn't do much with those books, and that is my prediction for LaL.

And for awhile there, don't forget, I was about the only person on DT defending the horse as he went into his three year old season.

I believe LaL is better suited as a stallion based on his conformation and pedigree than Vindication. Vindication has really bad knees. Most stallions are busts for the most part.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

WHO???
What decent runners he's thrown have been fillies.

I think he may have a chance to be a decent broodmare sire but, there wouldn't be value in breeding to FuPeg if he was free.

Bandini was OK.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not a fan of sons of Giants Causeway at stud
GC sires brittle horses better suited to the turf

This is not totally true, but you know more then me and I think we had this fight about 4 years ago.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bandini was OK.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Not really. He was decent enough. If you go to FP for 15k and come out with Bandini I think your thrilled. I know he was not 15k at that time, but thats not the point.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Not really. He was decent enough. If you go to FP for 15k and come out with Bandini I think your thrilled. I know he was not 15k at that time, but thats not the point.

What is the point?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What is the point?

That FuPeg has dropped a few decent runners.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

That FuPeg has dropped a few decent runners.

And the evidence of this is Bandini? Like I said

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

And the evidence of this is Bandini? Like I said

Roman Ruler and the horse who ran OK in the BC Turf. I forget his name.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Roman Ruler and the horse who ran OK in the BC Turf. I forget his name.

Yeah, Champ pegasus is a beast. Just stop already.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is not totally true, but you know more then me and I think we had this fight about 4 years ago.

Yeah the fight was like Hagler /Hearns. You were Hearns

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Not really. He was decent enough. If you go to FP for 15k and come out with Bandini I think your thrilled. I know he was not 15k at that time, but thats not the point.

Dont you think there is a reason that he has dropped to 15?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah the fight was like Hagler /Hearns. You were Hearns

Use something more recent so I can understand, please.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont you think there is a reason that he has dropped to 15?

Yes, yes I do.
The price was to high to begin with.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Admittedly, I'm not privy to such things.



Roman Ruler.
Bandini.
The BC Turf runner up, Champ Pegasus

He also had some Aussie superstar, Hardsun, or something like that.

He was bred to over 1500 mares on two hemisperes and you came up with Fraudini and one nice colt? Fu Peg had awesome books at the start of his stud career. Fu Peg is little more then a regional stallion at this point.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes, yes I do.
The price was to high to begin with.

The price was hardily too high relative to the market. Fu Peg attracted a billion mares at huge fees, the point is he is a complete bust of a stallion on every level.

as Chuck says the stallion game is pot luck city as well. Malibu Moon has had an incredible raise to the very top of the market. Who would have ever considered a Md. based regional being able to command 800k for colts 7 years later. Not me. The point is that even if you know a ton about everything that is involved in breeding it is at best an educated crap shoot and most crap out. Fu Peg crapped out in a huge way