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Old 02-04-2011, 08:19 PM
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Of all the horses going to stud this year I think LaL has the best chance to be a big time sire. By far.
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:57 PM
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I'd agree that the prospective first crop sires this year isn't great, and that LaL is up there among the best of them, but he lacks brilliance.

He was a solid and consistent performer in an abysmal time for racing.

FuPeg at half the price is ten times better the value. Maybe more.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:10 PM
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I'd agree that the prospective first crop sires this year isn't great, and that LaL is up there among the best of them, but he lacks brilliance.

He was a solid and consistent performer in an abysmal time for racing.

FuPeg at half the price is ten times better the value. Maybe more.
Fu Peg burned more money then Custer killed Indians...Charlie
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:18 PM
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Fu Peg burned more money then Custer killed Indians...Charlie
He's had some really nice runners however. Granted he did not live up to expectations as a sire, but he's still pretty useful, especially at 15k.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:29 PM
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He's had some really nice runners however. Granted he did not live up to expectations as a sire, but he's still pretty useful, especially at 15k.
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What decent runners he's thrown have been fillies.

I think he may have a chance to be a decent broodmare sire but, there wouldn't be value in breeding to FuPeg if he was free.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:36 PM
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Fupeg has so many bad foals that no one bothers
Admittedly, I'm not privy to such things.

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What decent runners he's thrown have been fillies.
Roman Ruler.
Bandini.
The BC Turf runner up, Champ Pegasus

He also had some Aussie superstar, Hardsun, or something like that.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:38 PM
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And since Roman Ruler is turning out to be at least a useful stallion, I would say that adds some value to Fupeg.
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Old 02-05-2011, 08:33 AM
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Roman Ruler.
Bandini.
The BC Turf runner up, Champ Pegasus

He also had some Aussie superstar, Hardsun, or something like that.
He was bred to over 1500 mares on two hemisperes and you came up with Fraudini and one nice colt? Fu Peg had awesome books at the start of his stud career. Fu Peg is little more then a regional stallion at this point.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:45 PM
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What decent runners he's thrown have been fillies.

I think he may have a chance to be a decent broodmare sire but, there wouldn't be value in breeding to FuPeg if he was free.
Bandini was OK.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:47 PM
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Bandini was OK.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:35 PM
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He's had some really nice runners however. Granted he did not live up to expectations as a sire, but he's still pretty useful, especially at 15k.
He gets a ton of nightmares though. He was bred to a million mares, many very good mares at one time. Plus unless the foals are perfect people are reluctant to pay good money for them because of how crazy and unsound they are.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:42 PM
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He gets a ton of nightmares though. He was bred to a million mares, many very good mares at one time. Plus unless the foals are perfect people are reluctant to pay good money for them because of how crazy and unsound they are.
I have no idea about the nightmares, but ok, I will surrender the point to you on this one.

That being said though, the whole thing with LaL reminds me very much of Vindication. He had to have had the greatest books of mares for his first two or three crops.

He didn't do much with those books, and that is my prediction for LaL.

And for awhile there, don't forget, I was about the only person on DT defending the horse as he went into his three year old season.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:42 PM
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I have no idea about the nightmares, but ok, I will surrender the point to you on this one.

That being said though, the whole thing with LaL reminds me very much of Vindication. He had to have had the greatest books of mares for his first two or three crops.

He didn't do much with those books, and that is my prediction for LaL.

And for awhile there, don't forget, I was about the only person on DT defending the horse as he went into his three year old season.
I believe LaL is better suited as a stallion based on his conformation and pedigree than Vindication. Vindication has really bad knees. Most stallions are busts for the most part.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:28 PM
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I'd agree that the prospective first crop sires this year isn't great, and that LaL is up there among the best of them, but he lacks brilliance.

He was a solid and consistent performer in an abysmal time for racing.

FuPeg at half the price is ten times better the value. Maybe more.
Fupeg has so many bad foals that no one bothers
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:01 PM
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Of all the horses going to stud this year I think LaL has the best chance to be a big time sire. By far.
Shocking you like a Smart Strike..lol

What's wrong with Eskendereya? I wouldn't be surprised if he was a terriffic stallion. But who the .......... really knows anymore
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:31 PM
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Shocking you like a Smart Strike..lol

What's wrong with Eskendereya? I wouldn't be surprised if he was a terriffic stallion. But who the .......... really knows anymore
Not a fan of sons of Giants Causeway at stud
GC sires brittle horses better suited to the turf
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:46 PM
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Not a fan of sons of Giants Causeway at stud
GC sires brittle horses better suited to the turf
This is not totally true, but you know more then me and I think we had this fight about 4 years ago.
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:00 AM
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This is not totally true, but you know more then me and I think we had this fight about 4 years ago.
Yeah the fight was like Hagler /Hearns. You were Hearns
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:03 AM
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Yeah the fight was like Hagler /Hearns. You were Hearns
Use something more recent so I can understand, please.
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Old 02-05-2011, 08:48 AM
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Not a fan of sons of Giants Causeway at stud
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It's more likely both will fail then either will be terriffic. I do wonder why Indian Charlie doesnt attract premium mares at this point. They ran to Malibu Moon real fast once he started to truly move mares up. Maybe because he is a son of AP INDY?
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