All time best horses

Dahoss · #1 02-04-2011, 06:00 PM

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#88....just below Dancing Brave (87) and before Parole (89)

And Point Given is where on the list? I won't give you a hard time about Zenyatta being 11, because I think even you know how silly it is.

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 02-04-2011, 06:07 PM

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I won't give you a hard time about Zenyatta being 11, because I think even you know how silly it is.

The horse he has rated #7 that was foaled in 1715 - that horse didn't debut until age 6 - only ran six times in his career - and half of his six wins came by walkover.

That list is actually a pretty clever troll job in my opinion.

Dahoss · #3 02-04-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The horse he has rated #7 that was foaled in 1715 - that horse didn't debut until age 6 - only ran six times in his career - and half of his six wins came by walkover.

That list is actually a pretty clever troll job in my opinion.

Yeah well it's easy to be critical.

Dahoss · #4 02-04-2011, 06:13 PM

I wonder if Minishaft made the list.

Indian Charlie · #5 02-04-2011, 06:15 PM

I'm really surprised anyone even responded to that list.

It was lame beyond anything even RHTPG1985 could have done.

somerfrost · #6 02-04-2011, 07:18 PM

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I wonder if Minishaft made the list.

No

AeWingnut · #7 02-04-2011, 07:30 PM

1. Power to Geaux paid $2,922 for a $2 win bet
2. Wishing Ring paid $1,885.50
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14,100,427,020,880 Zenyatta paid $7 in the '09 Classic around the same amount she paid in her debut

Cannon Shell · #8 02-04-2011, 07:34 PM

Is it possible to get 21-100?

King Glorious · #9 02-05-2011, 02:56 AM

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Is it possible to get 21-100?

I'd like that list to come out the day after my mom dies. I'll need a good pick me up. This is one of the best threads ever. Thanks Somerfrost.

Cannon Shell · #10 02-04-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The horse he has rated #7 that was foaled in 1715 - that horse didn't debut until age 6 - only ran six times in his career - and half of his six wins came by walkover.

That list is actually a pretty clever troll job in my opinion.

Very tough crop in 1715

#11 02-04-2011, 06:35 PM

Did Buffy have a horse?

somerfrost · #12 02-04-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

And Point Given is where on the list? I won't give you a hard time about Zenyatta being 11, because I think even you know how silly it is.

I have Point Given at #48

Dahoss · #13 02-04-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I have Point Given at #48

What is the basis for Point Given being so much lower on the list than Holy Bull?

somerfrost · #14 02-06-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

What is the basis for Point Given being so much lower on the list than Holy Bull?

Point Given 13/9-3-0 only missed the board once, that in his mysterious effort in the Derby, he was favored to win the TC and most folks believe he was far and away the best that year. Holy Bull 16/13-0-0 was hell on wheels when he got the lead but failed to hit the board 3 times. Point Given's wins in the Preakness, Belmont and Travers put him in rarified air. Holy Bull prevailed in the Travers, Fla Derby and Blue Grass but overall, won less premier races. Holy Bull's 12th in the Derby resulted in him passing the final 2 legs of the TC. His one off the board finish resulted from injury in his final race so can't hold that against him. unfortunate that he couldn't continue his 4yo season, may have been ranked higher with an impressive finish to his career.

DaTruth · #15 02-06-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Point Given 13/9-3-0 only missed the board once, that in his mysterious effort in the Derby, he was favored to win the TC and most folks believe he was far and away the best that year. Holy Bull 16/13-0-0 was hell on wheels when he got the lead but failed to hit the board 3 times. Point Given's wins in the Preakness, Belmont and Travers put him in rarified air. Holy Bull prevailed in the Travers, Fla Derby and Blue Grass but overall, won less premier races. Holy Bull's 12th in the Derby resulted in him passing the final 2 legs of the TC. His one off the board finish resulted from injury in his final race so can't hold that against him. unfortunate that he couldn't continue his 4yo season, may have been ranked higher with an impressive finish to his career.

Holy Bull easily beat Bertrando, Devil His Due, Colonial Affair, and Go For Gin in the Woodward. That trumps anything Point Given did.

Dahoss · #16 02-06-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Point Given 13/9-3-0 only missed the board once, that in his mysterious effort in the Derby, he was favored to win the TC and most folks believe he was far and away the best that year. Holy Bull 16/13-0-0 was hell on wheels when he got the lead but failed to hit the board 3 times. Point Given's wins in the Preakness, Belmont and Travers put him in rarified air. Holy Bull prevailed in the Travers, Fla Derby and Blue Grass but overall, won less premier races. Holy Bull's 12th in the Derby resulted in him passing the final 2 legs of the TC. His one off the board finish resulted from injury in his final race so can't hold that against him. unfortunate that he couldn't continue his 4yo season, may have been ranked higher with an impressive finish to his career.

Holy Bull won less premier races? He won the Met Mile and Woodward as a 3 year old beating very solid older horses. Point Given never beat older horses. The only real loss you can put on Holy Bull was in the Derby when he never lifted a hoof. He was injured in his final career start in the Donn and flipped his palate in the Fountain of Youth.

You gotta be kidding with this stuff.

somerfrost · #17 02-07-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Holy Bull won less premier races? He won the Met Mile and Woodward as a 3 year old beating very solid older horses. Point Given never beat older horses. The only real loss you can put on Holy Bull was in the Derby when he never lifted a hoof. He was injured in his final career start in the Donn and flipped his palate in the Fountain of Youth.

You gotta be kidding with this stuff.

Agree that Holy Bull beat older horses...again, I put a lot of stock in TC races and Travers, especially if horse wins 2/3 in TC...comes down as I seem to keep repeating to personal opinion. Just fyi, I love the Bull but try to leave personal likes/dislikes out of rating.

Dahoss · #18 02-07-2011, 02:24 PM

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Agree that Holy Bull beat older horses...again, I put a lot of stock in TC races and Travers, especially if horse wins 2/3 in TC...comes down as I seem to keep repeating to personal opinion. Just fyi, I love the Bull but try to leave personal likes/dislikes out of rating.

Which is fine, but when you stack up what Point Given was beating in those premier races and then compare it to what Holy Bull was beating in the "less premier races", it's not even really close.

I'd rather look at the specific races and see what was actually in them, rather than just looking at the name of the race. But that is my opinion and realize it isn't shared by everyone.

Antitrust32 · #19 02-07-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Agree that Holy Bull beat older horses...again, I put a lot of stock in TC races and Travers, especially if horse wins 2/3 in TC...comes down as I seem to keep repeating to personal opinion. Just fyi, I love the Bull but try to leave personal likes/dislikes out of rating.

How did you do this and come up with Zenyatta at 11?

miraja2 · #20 02-07-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Agree that Holy Bull beat older horses...again, I put a lot of stock in TC races and Travers, especially if horse wins 2/3 in TC...comes down as I seem to keep repeating to personal opinion. Just fyi, I love the Bull but try to leave personal likes/dislikes out of rating.

In that case I find your decision to rank Zenyatta well in front of Affirmed even more peculiar.