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Old 02-01-2011, 03:50 PM
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$95 for an individual that you don't have to ever pay is a really big fine.

What about the small businesses that already are getting tax credits this year, and buying insurance for their employees for the first time ?
in 2016 - a short 5 years away.

The fine is $695 per person.

A family of 3 has to pay $2,085!!!

you must make a lot of money giving dogs rabies shots to think that 695 or 2085 is an easily payable fine


Your $95 thing is extremely misleading as that only counts for 2014 & 2015. But I dont expect anything less from you. I mean, you think Social Security is just fine because we dont run out of money until 2037 and you'll be long gone by then!
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:57 PM
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actually, just saying $95 is even more misleading than I originally thought!!

in 2014 & 2015, an adult who does not have health insurance will be fined $95 or 1% of their income, whichever is GREATER.

aka

only if you make $9,500 per year will you only have to pay a $95 fine.



Say you make 25k per year... thats a $250 fine for 2014 and 2015

than after 2016 and beyond (which will encompass a lot more than the two years you decided to make an uneducated comment on)

it is $695 per adult... or 2.5% of their income... whichever is GREATER

or $2085 for a family, or 2.5% of their income... whichever is GREATER


So if a family makes 50k per year combined... you will be shelling out 4% of your income to the government. that is so easy to do!
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:05 PM
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only if you make $9,500 per year will you only have to pay a $95 fine.
But you won't pay any fine, because you will be on Medicaid or have a voucher, so you will have health insurance.
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in 2016 - a short 5 years away.

The fine is $695 per person.

A family of 3 has to pay $2,085!!!

you must make a lot of money giving dogs rabies shots to think that 695 or 2085 is an easily payable fine


Your $95 thing is extremely misleading as that only counts for 2014 & 2015.
But I dont expect anything less from you. I mean, you think Social Security is just fine because we dont run out of money until 2037 and you'll be long gone by then!
First, yes, I started with the beginning of the program - 2014 and 2015 - because that will be the fines people first will be assessed. Hopefully, during those two years, they will be able to purchase health insurance. That is the whole point - to make health insurance affordable so they will have healthcare.

Secondly, there is no penalty, no collection of unpaid fines.

So let's not be both misleading and rude and insulting to other posters. Right? Let's keep the personal insults out of it, because you're classy, right? I've highlighted all the non-insult stuff in your post, just so we can keep focused. Your insults are just extraneous personal bullshit from you.

And it is a false statement that we "run out of money" in 2037 regarding Social Security. We do not. At that point, if nothing at all is done, Social Security will still pay out, but at only 78% of what it should. That will be easily fixed, as it has in the past. There is no fear of Social Security "going broke"
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:07 PM
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So let's not be both misleading and rude and insulting to other posters. Right? Let's keep the personal insults out of it, because you're classy, right? I've highlighted all the non-insult stuff in your post, just so we can keep focused. Your insults are just extraneous personal bullshit from you.
yeah cause you are the world leader in classiness and being respectful.

You are probably the rudest person on this whole site, that is why people have such a problem with you. Because you pretend that you are better than everyone and are just so high class and knowledgable. You act like you've read every page of every book in the library of congress.

Well you dish it better than anyone, so man up and take it... i know you are good at that.

& I'm not being mean... I'm just being intellectually honest.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:25 PM
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yeah cause you are the world leader in classiness and being respectful.

You are probably the rudest person on this whole site, that is why people have such a problem with you. Because you pretend that you are better than everyone and are just so high class and knowledgable. You act like you've read every page of every book in the library of congress.

Well you dish it better than anyone, so man up and take it... i know you are good at that.

& I'm not being mean... I'm just being intellectually honest.
When someone points out your personal attacks and calls them classless, yet ignores your personal attacks and responds to the content of your post anyway, always best to double down and prove beyond a doubt you didn't deserve that respect
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:45 PM
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When someone points out your personal attacks and calls them classless, yet ignores your personal attacks and responds to the content of your post anyway, always best to double down and prove beyond a doubt you didn't deserve that respect
oooooooohhhhkaaaaay

what ever makes your brain happy.

Riot, you should move to a state that has medical marijuana. It will help your knee and your mind!

^^ see I'm giving out positive advice that is in your best interest
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:56 PM
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oooooooohhhhkaaaaay

what ever makes your brain happy.

Riot, you should move to a state that has medical marijuana. It will help your knee and your mind!

^^ see I'm giving out positive advice that is in your best interest
Your a nice person. Im sure Riot can tell us where all the money is going to come from to pay for this BS insurance. My guess is our brain dead and clueless Pres will take it from the military, retired military, and Social Security. Instead of of a %1.4 raise next year will be a %.5 raise. Yet alot of items a person has to have the price of it goes up.
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Your a nice person. Im sure Riot can tell us where all the money is going to come from to pay for this BS insurance. My guess is our brain dead and clueless Pres will take it from the military, retired military, and Social Security. Instead of of a %1.4 raise next year will be a %.5 raise. Yet alot of items a person has to have the price of it goes up.
Why should retired military or any government employee get a guaranteed pent ion? The rest of us working stiffs are on our own with 401k's ira's or SEP's. You are against entitlements except those lining your pocket. I'm sick of supporting your worthless ass

And don't give me the horseshit about protecting me. There hasnt
been a need for that since the 1940's.
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:20 PM
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Im sure Riot can tell us where all the money is going to come from to pay for this BS insurance. My guess is our brain dead and clueless Pres will take it from the military, retired military, and Social Security.
No. The people who buy this BS insurance pay for it. To those private capitalistic companies who sell it to them and make a profit.

There is no insurance to purchase from the government.

The poor people on Medicaid will be paid for as they are now. Except the PPACA did do some financial adjustments to extend the life of the Medicaid trust by 12 years.

The government will give vouchers to those low income but not poverty-level people that can't afford insurance, to help them pay for a portion of it, based upon income. That is paid for in several ways, none of which involves SS, Medicare or the VA, or retired or military.

Seriously - here are the major provisions in the bill, and how it works, written in plain english, click on it and go read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

Nobody says you have to like it, or agree with it - but you do have the responsibility to dislike or disagree with actual content in the bill, not imaginary, made up talking points of fear mongering.

See, the anger you hold over things in your imagination about this is probably raising your blood pressure, and I'm helping pay for your VA insurance. Preventive care is a good thing.
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:54 PM
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what ever makes your brain happy.

Riot, you should move to a state that has medical marijuana. It will help your knee and your mind!

^^ see I'm giving out positive advice that is in your best interest
My knee was fixed and is fine, thanks. Played indoor tennis on it two days ago. Lawsuit against insurance company for illegal rescission still pending. Doctor and hospital paid completely out of my pocket. Need to buy a saddle horse now that I can ride again.

But I'm sure you don't care, so just ignore all that.
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My knee was fixed and is fine, thanks. Played indoor tennis on it two days ago. Lawsuit against insurance company for illegal rescission still pending. Doctor and hospital paid completely out of my pocket. Need to buy a saddle horse now that I can ride again.

But I'm sure you don't care, so just ignore all that.
Hope you get your wish in getting a saddle horse.
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My knee was fixed and is fine, thanks. Played indoor tennis on it two days ago. Lawsuit against insurance company for illegal rescission still pending. Doctor and hospital paid completely out of my pocket. Need to buy a saddle horse now that I can ride again.

But I'm sure you don't care, so just ignore all that.
I hope you kick their butts in this lawsuit!
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:18 AM
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My knee was fixed and is fine, thanks. Played indoor tennis on it two days ago. Lawsuit against insurance company for illegal rescission still pending. Doctor and hospital paid completely out of my pocket. Need to buy a saddle horse now that I can ride again.

But I'm sure you don't care, so just ignore all that.
No i'm happy for you that your knee is fine. Good luck with riding.. I'm scared of heights. I prefer ground work with horses and / or betting on them (every once and awhile)
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And it is a false statement that we "run out of money" in 2037 regarding Social Security. We do not. At that point, if nothing at all is done, Social Security will still pay out, but at only 78% of what it should. That will be easily fixed, as it has in the past. There is no fear of Social Security "going broke"
maybe for people older than 65 cause they will be dead... but the rest of the country fears SS.
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