Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Insurance costs have been increasing double digits for several years - it's just more of the same gouging by the insurance companies, and blaming it on something else. The provisions in the healthcare act that would help this won't kick in for another 2 years.

That is only like 1/8th true.

sure the premiums rise a little every year.

but you are leaving out the fact that they ELIMINATED 66% of the plans we could choose from, leaving us with only a very high deductible plan.. and obamacare gave them the reason and permission to do this.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

That is only like 1/8th true.

sure the premiums rise a little every year.

but you are leaving out the fact that they ELIMINATED 66% of the plans we could choose from, leaving us with only a very high deductible plan.. and obamacare gave them the reason and permission to do this.

Riot actually left something out? That's a surprise. Wonder if Riot read this health care bill page for page? Im still waiting for that answer. Maybe Riot just read the stuff that would be beneficial to Riot. That wouldn't surprise me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Riot actually left something out? That's a surprise. Wonder if Riot read this health care bill page for page? Im still waiting for that answer. Maybe Riot just read the stuff that would be beneficial to Riot. That wouldn't surprise me.

Clearly you are the one that needs to read the healthcare bill. Did you bother to read the link I provided that showed what you feared isn't true?

No.

Let's review: you are against healthcare because you think there's a public option in there, or single payer. A government takeover of healthcare that will force us all onto Obamacare, were your words, and you're glad you won't be forced onto Obamacare.

I pointed out there was not a public option. Or single payer. There is no "forcing you onto Obamacare".

Your argument in response is that yes there could be a public option, or single payer, buried deep inside, that nobody has noticed. And I haven't either, because I've not read the whole bill.

A giant conspiracy theory to keep something progressives really wanted, but didn't get, put into the bill but kept top secret from everyone.

Even though the bill has been in the public record in it's entirety for months now, and there is no public option/single payer for you to hate about Obamacare.

Guess what? There are no "death panels", either.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Clearly you are the one that needs to read the healthcare bill. Did you bother to read the link I provided that showed what you feared isn't true?

No.

Let's review: you are against healthcare because you think there's a public option in there, or single payer. A government takeover of healthcare that will force us all onto Obamacare, were your words, and you're glad you won't be forced onto Obamacare.

I pointed out there was not a public option. Or single payer. There is no "forcing you onto Obamacare".

Your argument in response is that yes there could be a public option, or single payer, buried deep inside, that nobody has noticed. And I haven't either, because I've not read the whole bill.

A giant conspiracy theory to keep something progressives really wanted, but didn't get, put into the bill but kept top secret from everyone.

Even though the bill has been in the public record in it's entirety for months now, and there is no public option/single payer for you to hate about Obamacare.

Guess what? There are no "death panels", either.

Let me ask you why should my taxpaying money go into something im not going to be using? Im probably not the only one asking this question. Im not afraid to ask it either. How is someone going to pay a fine if they can't afford the insurance? Thats right lets kick them onto the streets so they don't have a roof to live under. Your trying to tell me that the American public wanted this bill approved when it got approved? Didn't the voters give the Dem party a message in November or are your just as clueless as the Dem party? The American public didnt want this bill shoved on them ye tit was because the Dems had the numbers on the Republicans when it was shoved through. Hopefully this year the Republicans take over the Senate. Lets see how our fearless Pres likes it a little of his own medicine.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Let me ask you why should my taxpaying money go into something im not going to be using?.

Because you live in the United States of America, and our government funds, through our taxes, programs for the common good of all. I don't get Medicaid, but I'm very happy poor children in the town where I live get healthcare.

You are entitled, via your vote, to send to Washington those that help determine those programs. If you are on the side of that you don't want to be, it's part of the freedom of living in this republic, and we've all been on "the other side". We are all funding two wars, and I'm not the least bit happy my money going there. But I have no right to opt out of paying that. Only to vote and make my voice heard.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because you live in the United States of America, and our government funds, through our taxes, programs for the common good of all. I don't get Medicaid, but I'm very happy poor children in the town where I live get healthcare.

You are entitled, via your vote, to send to Washington those that help determine those programs. If you are on the side of that you don't want to be, it's part of the freedom of living in this republic, and we've all been on "the other side". We are all funding two wars, and I'm not the least bit happy my money going there. But I have no right to opt out of paying that. Only to vote and make my voice heard.

We are in agreement about the two wars this country has no business being in. Don't know about you but im still waiting on the so-called WMD to be found. Cmon Mr Bush where are these WMD at? Maybe if some of these families wouldn't have 4 or 5 kids and just had two kids they wouldn't be poor and living off of our taxpaying money. Obviously they don't believe in birth control.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Let me ask you why should my taxpaying money go into something im not going to be using? Im probably not the only one asking this question. Im not afraid to ask it either.

I know. I totally feel the same way about VA healthcare, military folks getting free rides to college, and their pensions.*

I'm not using any of those, so maybe they could separate my tax dollars out so they don't pay for them, right?

Your "I've got mine (from your tax dollars), so f*ck you (and be sure not to touch my tax dollars)" schtick would be laughable if it weren't so goddamn pathetic.

*with the disclaimer that I am not actually against any of these things, but Nascar's logic (if you could even call it that), means that he shouldn't get any of the things he so cherishes, because people who won't ever be using them are the ones paying for them.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I know. I totally feel the same way about VA healthcare, military folks getting free rides to college, and their pensions.*

I'm not using any of those, so maybe they could separate my tax dollars out so they don't pay for them, right?

Your "I've got mine (from your tax dollars), so f*ck you (and be sure not to touch my tax dollars)" schtick would be laughable if it weren't so goddamn pathetic.

*with the disclaimer that I am not actually against any of these things, but Nascar's logic (if you could even call it that), means that he shouldn't get any of the things he so cherishes, because people who won't ever be using them are the ones paying for them.

Just for info I don't use the VA for medical needs. I use regular doctors just like you do.