Bernardini

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I agree.
the tail wags the dog with the Sheiks.
They spent hundreds of millions trying to breed a colt like Bernardini.
Then they retired him as soon as possible..

They need the millions in potential stallion fees to help support all their Camel racing exploits silly!

[johnny pinwheel]

i disagree that bernardini was better....the withers, jim dandy and travers were a joke. he won the preakness when the BIG horse broke down. in fact, the travers field was one of the worst ever. he beat blugrass cat and allowance loser dr. pleasure...real tough...then showed his true colors when invasor ate him for lunch the same way ap indy did in his classic...the jockey gold cup is his one legit race and that field was sort of "beat" too...ap indy ran against pleasant tap and strike the gold....i know the numbers probably say different but when your beating up chumps its easy to run faster.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

ap indy ran against pleasant tap and strike the gold....i know the numbers probably say different but when your beating up chumps its easy to run faster.

I don't know what is funnier - that anyone would think "Invasor ate Bernardini for lunch in the BC Classic" or Pleasant Tap and Strike The Gold being held as great competition.

Strike The Gold - while a favorite horse of mine (and least favorite of my grandfather) - was a losing machine and became something of a laughing stock.



Pleasant Tap was a very solid horse .. but nothing that special.




I love how Bernardini's blowout wins in major 3yo races get picked apart - but A. P. Indy's 3yo races just get ignored. The hapless Benburb had his way with A. P. Indy in Canada off of the layoff in the Molson Million.

A. P. Indy's second best career win besides the BC Classic came in the Belmont Stakes in workmanlike fashion over the immortal My Memoirs



The year A. P. Indy won the BC Classic - Jolypha ..the 3yo filly from Europe was 3rd in the race.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know what is funnier - that anyone would think "Invasor ate Bernardini for lunch in the BC Classic" or Pleasant Tap and Strike The Gold being held as great competition.

Strike The Gold - while a favorite horse of mine (and least favorite of my grandfather) - was a losing machine and became something of a laughing stock.



Pleasant Tap was a very solid horse .. but nothing that special.




I love how Bernardini's blowout wins in major 3yo races get picked apart - but A. P. Indy's 3yo races just get ignored. The hapless Benburb had his way with A. P. Indy in Canada off of the layoff in the Molson Million.

A. P. Indy's second best career win besides the BC Classic came in the Belmont Stakes in workmanlike fashion over the immortal My Memoirs



The year A. P. Indy won the BC Classic - Jolypha ..the 3yo filly from Europe was 3rd in the race.

I do think it's unfair that Bernardini gets knocked for finishing 2nd in the Classic. I loved Indy, but you're right - he was more workmanlike in the Belmont than anything else. Granted, he was coming off a very, very good prep in the Peter Pan.............I think 2 weeks before?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know what is funnier - that anyone would think "Invasor ate Bernardini for lunch in the BC Classic" or Pleasant Tap and Strike The Gold being held as great competition.

Strike The Gold - while a favorite horse of mine (and least favorite of my grandfather) - was a losing machine and became something of a laughing stock.



Pleasant Tap was a very solid horse .. but nothing that special.




I love how Bernardini's blowout wins in major 3yo races get picked apart - but A. P. Indy's 3yo races just get ignored. The hapless Benburb had his way with A. P. Indy in Canada off of the layoff in the Molson Million.

A. P. Indy's second best career win besides the BC Classic came in the Belmont Stakes in workmanlike fashion over the immortal My Memoirs



The year A. P. Indy won the BC Classic - Jolypha ..the 3yo filly from Europe was 3rd in the race.

I guess that it is not possible in your world view that something went amiss for My Memoirs after the Belmont. Are you really implying that Indy would have been nearly distanced in all those subsequent races in which My Memoirs got destroyed?

I do not know why Jolypha never regained her form either, but she was clearly a top level horse, and even Frankel, years later, called her one of the best three fillies he'd ever trained.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I guess that it is not possible in your world view that something went amiss for My Memoirs after the Belmont. Are you really implying that Indy would have been nearly distanced in all those subsequent races in which My Memoirs got destroyed?

I do not know why Jolypha never regained her form either, but she was clearly a top level horse, and even Frankel, years later, called her one of the best three fillies he'd ever trained.

Obviously something went badly amiss with My Memoirs physically after the Jim Dandy flop. Notice the two year layoff.

However - he hardly brought promising form into the Belmont Stakes. If Bernardini beat him in similar workmanlike fashion - it would be held against him a lot more.