Gotta love Watchmaker....

Originally Posted by Linny

I saw the race differently from everyone I guess. While I was impressed with NoBiz' move into contention I really disliked the way he leaned into Pegasus Wind when they turned for home. He was hugging PW all the way down the lane. The photo that accompanies Mike W's article (front page of the Wed DRF) shows NoBiz being hauled off of the inside horse as Scat Daddy runs by.

It's the difference of opinion that makes the betting possible and I hope alot of folks absorb Watch's article and march to the windows to bet NoBiz next month. I think he's too green to win the BCJ. That said, I think he has a ton of natural ability and if he develops properly he should be a major stakes horse.

Also, PW held on well and could be a contender in some of the lesser stakes at the end of the year.

Linny horses aren't machines and they sometimes take a few starts to learn their lessons.
What Nobiz did would only be considered neagtive by me if he does that again and again like Corinthian wound up doing.
Many a very good horse does what Nobiz did in his early races while learning his or her lessons.
He got next to no schooling in his debut as he shot to thelead after 3 duelers committed suicide on the front end. He cantered down the lane and didn't learn any lessons.
Now that they know he may be prone to waiting or lugging in, they will most likely change bits or maybe put cheater blinkers on him if he does it again.
In addition to that, a good trainer like Tagg now knows what to work on in the mornings with him and will probably make sure he works in behind a set of horses or alongside another one in company.
It was only his 2nd start, and its just too early to declare him a mental patient.

[Seattleallstar]

well tagg himself called his horse a big dummy

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

well tagg himself called his horse a big dummy

Yes he did, the horse is obviously still green. But I doubt he was referring to him in that manner as a very stupid horse, just one who hasn't figured things out yet in terms of racing.
You can't simulate all racing conditions in the morning. Most babies are works in progress.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yes he did, the horse is obviously still green. But I doubt he was referring to him in that manner as a very stupid horse, just one who hasn't figured things out yet in terms of racing.
You can't simulate all racing conditions in the morning. Most babies are works in progress.

just like me

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

just like me

You are 25 years old, you have no excuses!!!!

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You are 25 years old, you have no excuses!!!!

i never got any breaks in life

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

i never got any breaks in life

Yeah, right. You avoided work from ages 16-25 by sponging off relatives.
You still live at home and only pay small bills, and thats only in the last few months.
You are completely healthy and always have been other than the situation caused by your own overindulgence.
You had your college tuition paid for entirely by your folks.
I'm tired of beating you up in private, nothing I say to you seems to sink in. Maybe hearing it from others will get through to you.
I know folks who have had very few breaks in life, and folks who have to had to persevere despite hardships and tragedy. You don't fall into either category. Grow up, and act like a man.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

i never got any breaks in life

When you get a chance, take this break from your every day routine which is causing you problems.

Go spend a morning in the waiting room at a Pediatric Cancer Treatment Center.

Let us know what you think.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

That's funny. I call my horses big dummies all of the time...

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

well tagg himself called his horse a big dummy

He is really big. I don't know how dumb he is, but he is huge. He makes Showing Up look really tiny.

Originally Posted by Revolution

He is really big. I don't know how dumb he is, but he is huge. He makes Showing Up look really tiny.

Those kind are usually a real challenge to keep sound(point Given, Rock Hard Ten, etc). I hope Tagg can keep him sound as he looks like a real good horse.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Linny horses aren't machines and they sometimes take a few starts to learn their lessons.
What Nobiz did would only be considered neagtive by me if he does that again and again like Corinthian wound up doing.
Many a very good horse does what Nobiz did in his early races while learning his or her lessons.
He got next to no schooling in his debut as he shot to thelead after 3 duelers committed suicide on the front end. He cantered down the lane and didn't learn any lessons.
Now that they know he may be prone to waiting or lugging in, they will most likely change bits or maybe put cheater blinkers on him if he does it again.
In addition to that, a good trainer like Tagg now knows what to work on in the mornings with him and will probably make sure he works in behind a set of horses or alongside another one in company.
It was only his 2nd start, and its just too early to declare him a mental patient.

I ride horses and have trained babies, I know they take alot of time. I certainly don't think NoBiz is a mental patient, just a bit short on the seasoning needed to win the BCJ. You are right about his debut, it was (in a way) too good for his own good. I'm sure Tagg will school him well and work on lead changes too. IMO, he was fatiguing from his early efforts to get into the race and struggled with the lead change. Tagg has said that he's a big and goofy colt.
I like him alot and if I had to select a Ky Derby contender from the babies I've seen, he'd be "one of the ones." I just question whether he'll be ready to turn the tables on Scat Daddy and beat horses like Great Hunter and Circular Quay in 3 weeks.

Originally Posted by Linny

I ride horses and have trained babies, I know they take alot of time. I certainly don't think NoBiz is a mental patient, just a bit short on the seasoning needed to win the BCJ. You are right about his debut, it was (in a way) too good for his own good. I'm sure Tagg will school him well and work on lead changes too. IMO, he was fatiguing from his early efforts to get into the race and struggled with the lead change. Tagg has said that he's a big and goofy colt.
I like him alot and if I had to select a Ky Derby contender from the babies I've seen, he'd be "one of the ones." I just question whether he'll be ready to turn the tables on Scat Daddy and beat horses like Great Hunter and Circular Quay in 3 weeks.

Oh I agree with you there!!!
If he were mine he'd be training for the Remsen Stakes on Thanksgiving weekend at Aqueduct.
Rushing him back on three weeks rest and shipping to Ky doesn't seem like the prudent move. Tagg is a really rational and good horseman, I think when it all boils down he will pass the BC. I think thats too much too soon.
The Remsen is a mile and an eigth grade two and 6 weeks rest between the Champagne and Remsen. Lots of time for him to recover off his last race, and learn to switch leads better and mature.
I hope thats what he does.