Not enough or too much?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I'm wondering how you all feel about this kind of thing...

Do they deserve this?

Should the fine be greater? Smaller?

Thoughts?


Jockeys Corey Nakatani ($500) and Victor Espinoza ($300) were given fines last weekend for causing welts or breaks in the skin with the whip on mounts at Hollywood Park in November.

http://www.drf.com/news/j-ps-gusto-c...year-old-debut

I thought the new whips couldnt do this?

[Princess Doreen]

It's not the whip - it's the misuse of it. There are jockeys who use the whip as punishment rather than control and encouragement. Little is done to discourage them.

Some good information here -

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1130450AAVFtpm

[megahertz]

greater
there is no reason to hit an animal hard enough to do damage
you can't whip speed into a horse you can't whip stamina into a horse and you can't heart into a horse

[Riot]

Deserved.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I thought the new whips couldnt do this?

Me, too. I was led to believe that the new whips were little more than feathers.

--Dunbar

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

Me, too. I was led to believe that the new whips were little more than feathers.

--Dunbar

They are. Shows why these guys were fined. Takes excess and misuse to do damage.

[3kings]

My question is do all horses bruise the same. Some people bruise much easier than others, is this also true for horses?

PS I'm not sticking up for the action of the jockeys and realize that breaking the skin of horse requires a serious strike with the whip. I was just curious.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by 3kings

My question is do all horses bruise the same. Some people bruise much easier than others, is this also true for horses?

PS I'm not sticking up for the action of the jockeys and realize that breaking the skin of horse requires a serious strike with the whip. I was just curious.

Some horses have physically thinner or finer skin (young fillies vs older intact males) Horses have a thin muscle right under their skin which gives them the ability to independently twitch a little bit as under a fly. Their skin is extraordinarily sensitive to pinpoint touch and pressure.

Whips are more mental than physical. Ever see jocks "showing the whip" to the horse alongside it's head so the horse merely sees it and responds?

Whips cause motion inducement via touch, noise, learned response to it. Not pain. A horse can be struck with rather significant-appearing force but it shouldn't be much different than an open-handed palm slap encouragement where the sound, touch and the learned reaction on the part of the horse are the inducement forward. Not sharp pain let alone leaving bruising.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Riot

Some horses have physically thinner or finer skin (young fillies vs older intact males) Horses have a thin muscle right under their skin which gives them the ability to independently twitch a little bit as under a fly. Their skin is extraordinarily sensitive to pinpoint touch and pressure.

Whips are more mental than physical. Ever see jocks "showing the whip" to the horse alongside it's head so the horse merely sees it and responds?

Whips cause motion inducement via touch, noise, learned response to it. Not pain. A horse can be struck with rather significant-appearing force but it shouldn't be much different than an open-handed palm slap encouragement where the sound, touch and the learned reaction on the part of the horse are the inducement forward. Not sharp pain let alone leaving bruising.

Thank you.

[Pedigree Ann]

The parts of a horse where use of the bat is allowed are where there are big, heavy muscles and tougher hide that can absorb a moderate impact without becoming injured. But there are places on the flank, inside and just ahead of the hip, where the skin is more tender and easier to damage: part of the proverbially soft underbelly. One is not supposed to hit the horse there in any circumstances, but I have to wonder if this is where these guys 'marked' their mounts. When the horse is extended, this tender area is exposed more than usual and if the jock was lazy about where his hits land...,