NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[3kings]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Here's Bill Cowher's 7th, 8th and 9th seasons in Pittsburgh. 7-9, 6-10, 9-7. That's 22-26.

Not only zero playoff wins, but zero playoff games those 3 years. He had a few playoff wins at that point, but no titles, only one Super Bowl appearance. By his 14th season he finally won a title. They are the model NFL franchise. I prefer their method.

In all 9 of those seasons Cowher had a QB worse than Carson Palmer. He accomplished those winning seasons with Kordell Stewert, Bubby Brister, and Neil O'Donohue. When he got a better QB he was somehow able to win a SB. Marvin Lewis should be fired, if you strive for mediocrity as a franchise you should sell the team. Marvin Lewis is a very good Defensive coordinater but a mediocre head coach.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In all 9 of those seasons Cowher had a QB worse than Carson Palmer. He accomplished those winning seasons with Kordell Stewert, Bubby Brister, and Neil O'Donohue. When he got a better QB he was somehow able to win a SB. Marvin Lewis should be fired, if you strive for mediocrity as a franchise you should sell the team. Marvin Lewis is a very good Defensive coordinater but a mediocre head coach.

What evidence is there that after his knee surgery that Carson Palmer is a great NFL qb?? Or for that matter even a good one?? They won last year playing defense and running the football. Not because of Carson Palmer.

His name was Neil O'Donnell.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What evidence is there that after his knee surgery that Carson Palmer is a great NFL qb?? Or for that matter even a good one?? They won last year playing defense and running the football. Not because of Carson Palmer.

His name was Neil O'Donnell.

Palmer waas there since 2003. How come they couldn't play defense or run the ball this year? I'll help you with this before you cherry pick some other bull crap stats. Better coaches stopped the run and made Cincy adjust. They couldn't partially because of the coach. Better coaches also found ways to attack the defense the Cincy staff couldn't adjust. That is why he should be fired.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In all 9 of those seasons Cowher had a QB worse than Carson Palmer. He accomplished those winning seasons with Kordell Stewert, Bubby Brister, and Neil O'Donohue. When he got a better QB he was somehow able to win a SB. Marvin Lewis should be fired, if you strive for mediocrity as a franchise you should sell the team. Marvin Lewis is a very good Defensive coordinater but a mediocre head coach.

Brister wasn't the starter for Cowher. However, Tommy Maddox was.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Brister wasn't the starter for Cowher. However, Tommy Maddox was.

Maddox played well after the 3 years that that horseofcourse was referencing in his argument. You are mostly right about Brister, he only started a few games Cowher's rookie year.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Maddox played well after the 3 years that that horseofcourse was referencing in his argument. You are mostly right about Brister, he only started a few games Cowher's rookie year.

And horseofcourse neglects to mention that free agency and the looser cap rules really opened up in those years and Pittsburgh was left with no money to compete in signing its own free agents let alone adding from other teams.

How old is riverfront stadium anyway?

edit: Old enough that the bengals havent played there in years. LOL. There goes that excuse.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And horseofcourse neglects to mention that free agency and the looser cap rules really opened up in those years and Pittsburgh was left with no money to compete in signing its own free agents let alone adding from other teams.

How old is riverfront stadium anyway?

Riverfront stadium doesnt' exist. IT was demolished.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kXX0xxuF3A

[horseofcourse]

I'll put up one more fact. I got abused for comparing Lewis to Cowher so I'll compare him to Wyche. In 1991 Wyche was completing his 8th season as head coach of the Bengals. He had a record of 61-66 and was coming off a 3-13 season. He had made the playoffs two times. His first time he went to the Super Bowl as his starting qb didn't tear up his knee on his first post season pass that year. He lost his first playoff game in his 7th season as head coach at home. So did Lewis.

Through 8 seasons, Wyche 61-66, Lewis 60-66-1

Playoff appearances, Wyche 2, Lewis 2

Playoff wins, Wyche 2, Lewis 0

They decided to fire Wyche, the mediocrity...it got worse...much, much worse for the Bengals until they hired their next mediocrity, Marvin Lewis. The Bengals had 7 playoff appearances in their first 35 years. Marvin's 2 in 8 is ahead of the curve.

Maybe these aren't facts. I consider them facts. firing the mediocrity can produce much, much worse results than the mediocrity.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Brister wasn't the starter for Cowher. However, Tommy Maddox was.

Tommy Maddox is also the answer to a trivia question. He was the first and only MVP in the XFL. Remember that league? Loved watching He Hates Me play. I forgot his name but loved his shirt.