A 2nd BC Day?

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I agree with the first part, strongly disagree with the second. If we make the Classic a twelve-furlong race, then the Dirt Mile would become the new BCC. We don't train our horses to run 12 furlongs on dirt.. It's hard enough to get them to run 10.

I don't understand the popular demand for a turf sprint.. Who exactly are these superstar turf horses who are being shut out because the Mile is too far???

Necessity (in order) calls for a F/M Sprint (think of how many graded F/M sprint races there are in the U.S.), a dirt mile because of the 'tweeners that American racing breeds, and a F/M Turf Mile. I think a Juvenile turf race would be pointless, as it would be ALL Europeans.

not true.

lots of good 2YO turf runners.
but b/c of the BC structure, most of the 2YO turf stakes occur at Laurel, Calder, or HW after the BC.


and what would be bad about a BC race with half the field being Euros?
its the World Championships and it may give European trainers another reason to bring their OTHER horses over for the BC Mile, Turf, and FM Turf.

regardless,
its not a priority.
what really needs to occur is the elimination of the BC Juvemile Fillies and a cut back in distance to 8f.
if you want to add a race to replace the BCJF, then add an 8f dirt race or a 2YO turf race.
but if you are going to add a dirt Mile, then you have to increase the BC Distaff to 10f.


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[ateamstupid]

Name me one American juvenile turf horse. If you had to think for more than three seconds, there shouldn't be a juvenile turf race here.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Name me one American juvenile turf horse. If you had to think for more than three seconds, there shouldn't be a juvenile turf race here.

dude,
thats b/c there are NO BC prep races for turf 2YOs.

2Yo's racing calender only exists in the 2nd part of the year.
there are not going to be any notable 2YO turf runners in the US without 2YO stakes races prior to the BC.
at this point in time, there is no real reason to card those types of stakes races.

Im not advocating a 2YO turf race.
im just saying its a more intersting addition than a turf sprint race or some other made up division.

if you are going to create a new division or series of prep races, that would be the category to add.

thats all I am saying.

like I originally typed, dont add any BC race.
take one away.
but we all know thats never going to happen.

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[King Glorious]

Of the ideas I've heard, these are the ones I like the best:

I'd add an 8f race on dirt but it would be strictly for 3yo's. I'd add a 12f dirt race but it would be strictly for 4yo's and up. In addition to the new 12f race, I'd add a series of races through the year, maybe 6-8 of them at $500k each at 12f for 4yo's and older. Perhaps if there is a series of races with a bonus attatched to it, it would keep a few more of these horses around a little longer and also would create a market that would encourage breeders to breed for those kinds of races. As it stands now, u can't blame them for not wanting to breed any 12f type horses.

I'd also get rid of the Juvenile Fillies and make just one 2yo race and have that race be at 6f. I don't think 2yo's need to run beyond 6f. There would be no 2yo races at all beyond 6f. Then in January/Feb, the furthest they could go would be 7f....March/April, the furthest they could go would be 8f.....the Derby would be 9f, the Preakness 9.5f, and the Belmont 10f. The purpose of the Belmont used to be to determine which of the 3yo's could handle 12f and be able to compete with the older horses in the fall in the big races, several of which were 12f or longer. But now, since there are no 12f dirt races, the Belmont has been turned into one of America's most irrelevant races, save for when there is a TC on the line. That's sad.

I would not create a sprint race for females. The females have a very good record in the open Sprint as it is. Same for the Mile. If they were being outclassed in those races, maybe so. But Royal Heroine, Pine Tree Lane, Very Subtle, Miesque, Sonic Lady, Safely Kept, Meafara, Ski Paradise, Soviet Problem, Desert Stormer, Ridgewood Pearl, Sayyedati, Tuzla, Honest Lady, Xtra Heat, Six Perfections, and Gorella all say that the girls can run with the boys in those races. All of those females have either won or been in the money in the Sprint or Mile. If u take it a step further, u can add the names of All Along, Pebbles, Estrapade, Indian Skimmer, Sierra Roberta, Miss Alleged, Hatoof, and Borgia and make the case that there was really no need for the F/M Turf.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Name me one American juvenile turf horse. If you had to think for more than three seconds, there shouldn't be a juvenile turf race here.

Fernando Po

[Round Pen]

was just looking at the Churchill Condition Book(avalibale on line) At Fridays Card not to Bad there are 2 stakes carded that Day.

THe Cherekee Run For 3 and up Going 5F on the Turf for 250k and
The River City(Grade 3) For 3 And up 1/1/8th on the turf.

[pmayjr]

That's the thing. I'm convinced you could get similar to a Kentucky Oaks day type handle, with ESPN coverage if you put a couple of races on Friday. IThe handle and the ratings wouldn't be even close to Saturday, but that's not the worst thing either...