DADT repeal ... still possible

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

START with the Navy for a year and let's see how it works.........

really? Its ridiculous that this rule is in place for any branch of the military.

[dellinger63]

OK maybe the tank does look better in pink.

[Danzig]

voting today in the senate. not over yet. here's hoping that the u.s. ends this black eye.

[Riot]

WASHINGTON — In a landmark vote for gay rights, the Senate on Saturday voted to advance legislation that would overturn the military ban on openly gay troops known as "don't ask, don't tell."

The 63-33 test vote all but guarantees the legislation will pass the Senate, possibly by day's end, and reach the president's desk before the new year.

I'll bet the real, final vote is much higher. All those GOP Senators now "getting on the right side of history" <vbg>

Flip side: The Senate still is blocking the DREAM act. That's done. Sorry, American born children who were unfortunate enough to be the children of illegals. No Harvard for you any more! And a couple of the more homophobic GOP have threatened that if DADT passes, they will block START (but that may just be silly threat). Because nuclear arms containment treaties with Russia are equivalent to some male in the military in Afghanistan being happy he gets a letter from his boyfriend at home, and not having to hide it.

UPDATE: Final vote on DADT in Senate 3pm today!

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll bet the real, final vote is much higher. All those GOP Senators now "getting on the right side of history" <vbg>

Flip side: The Senate still is blocking the DREAM act. That's done. Sorry, American born children who were unfortunate enough to be the children of illegals. No Harvard for you any more! And a couple of the more homophobic GOP have threatened that if DADT passes, they will block START (but that may just be silly threat). Because nuclear arms containment treaties with Russia are equivalent to some male in the military in Afghanistan being happy he gets a letter from his boyfriend at home, and not having to hide it.

UPDATE: Final vote on DADT in Senate 3pm today!

Nice to see the Senate having some sense in blocking the Dream Act.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Nice to see the Senate having some sense in blocking the Dream Act.

Because you can't kick people who were born here, who grew up here, who went to school here, and who contribute to our society enough when they are brown, right?

The Senate just voted 65 to 31 to repeal DADT. At last most of America restarts to move out of the ignorant prejudices of our past, and the shameful way we've treated members of our military. Dinosaurs remain, but hopefully they will simply continue towards extinction. Where their ideas belong.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because you can't kick people who were born here, who grew up here, who went to school here, and who contribute to our society enough when they are brown, right?

The Senate just voted 65 to 31 to repeal DADT. At last most of America restarts to move out of the ignorant prejudices of our past, and the shameful way we've treated members of our military. Dinosaurs remain, but hopefully they will simply continue towards extinction. Where their ideas belong.

When I was in the military I had no problems serving with people who where gay. They were great people to work with and to talk with. It is a shame how they get treated. As long as it doesn't interfere with work who cares.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because you can't kick people who were born here, who grew up here, who went to school here, and who contribute to our society enough when they are brown, right?.

Dumba$$ if they were born here they are U.S. citizens and welcome to apply to Harvard like anyone else. Kind of like the President did. Though he may be a darker brown than what you're describing

But go ahead and play the race card even if it has no significance other than in your head?

And what about those that are here as gang-bangin, drug-dealing parasites, like half the jail population at Lake County IL (far from any border). Should we put them at Harvard, jail them, deport them? And if we do deport should we be on guard for their possible return?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll bet the real, final vote is much higher. All those GOP Senators now "getting on the right side of history" <vbg>

Flip side: The Senate still is blocking the DREAM act. That's done. Sorry, American born children who were unfortunate enough to be the children of illegals. No Harvard for you any more! And a couple of the more homophobic GOP have threatened that if DADT passes, they will block START (but that may just be silly threat). Because nuclear arms containment treaties with Russia are equivalent to some male in the military in Afghanistan being happy he gets a letter from his boyfriend at home, and not having to hide it.

UPDATE: Final vote on DADT in Senate 3pm today!

It has nothing to do with AMERICAN BORN children Riot. Get a grip. It has nothing to do with racism either. People in this country LEGALLY should not be put at the back of the line. "Children" up to age 35 receiving amnesty(see S. 729 Section 4(a)(1)(F)? Have you read any of this Bill? How are they going to prove they have been here? I see massive fraud on the horizon. Let's secure the border first.

[randallscott35]

Glad they did away with DADT. Finally

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It has nothing to do with AMERICAN BORN children Riot. Get a grip. It has nothing to do with racism either. People in this country LEGALLY should not be put at the back of the line. "Children" up to age 35 receiving amnesty(see S. 729 Section 4(a)(1)(F)? Have you read any of this Bill? How are they going to prove they have been here? I see massive fraud on the horizon. Let's secure the border first.

that's correct. this act is for illegal aliens brough here as minors.

immigration needs to be addressed in full. rather than introducing different acts covering a portion of the whole issue isn't the way to go imo. real reform is needed.

as a sidenote....did anyone realize that amendment 20 to the constitution was supposed to end lame-duck sessions? the amendment was introduced and ratified after the majority, but soon to be minority party pushed thru a bunch of judgeships before departing for good.

[clyde]

Baby...shut up.

[Riot]

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It has nothing to do with AMERICAN BORN children Riot.

Yes, I know that, I misspoke that. We all know DREAM is about children of aliens.

Get a grip. It has nothing to do with racism either. People in this country LEGALLY should not be put at the back of the line. "Children" up to age 35 receiving amnesty(see S. 729 Section 4(a)(1)(F)? Have you read any of this Bill? How are they going to prove they have been here? I see massive fraud on the horizon. Let's secure the border first

Geesh, you hate illegals. I can't think of anyone that wants immigrants to arrive here illegally (I certainly don't, I want them deported) but you have a hate, and it's always about Mexicans - not Canadians, not Cubans, not Haitians.

Yeah, I have read the bill, and what do you have against it, because what you fear about being "put at the back of the line" is complete crap and there's nothing in there that remotely does that? One can easily "prove you're here" for a child via school records, doctor records, etc.

This is for children, who are brought here by illegal parents, and live here, grow up here, go to school here, become part of the community here, speak English - it's a path to citizenship - not a giveaway - and when they reach adulthood, they deserve to work through that if they want to renounce their other citizenship and become Americans, as this is their "homeland". And yes, their illegal parents should be deported.

Face it, whites are going to be the minority in the United States rather quickly, and deporting every non-white you see isn't going to change that.

So if it's not about race for you, what's it about for you? Stealing American jobs? That's been proven embarassingly false this past year with the "Take Our Job" program. You just don't like immigrants? Which types? Irish? German? Australian? Mexican? Haitian? What is the terrible danger you see here, about the children of illegals working towards citizenship and choosing - wanting - to be citizens of this country?

Secure the border? Why? Don't you pay attention to this immigrant issue that worries you so much? ICE has deported 40,000 people in the past couple years - ICE is under attack for doing TOO MUCH getting rid of illegals.

[Danzig]

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Yes, I know that, I misspoke that. We all know DREAM is about children of aliens.



Geesh, you hate illegals. I can't think of anyone that wants immigrants to arrive here illegally (I certainly don't, I want them deported) but you have a hate, and it's always about Mexicans - not Canadians, not Cubans, not Haitians.

Yeah, I have read the bill, and what do you have against it, because what you fear about being "put at the back of the line" is complete crap and there's nothing in there that remotely does that? One can easily "prove you're here" for a child via school records, doctor records, etc.

This is for children, who are brought here by illegal parents, and live here, grow up here, go to school here, become part of the community here, speak English - it's a path to citizenship - not a giveaway - and when they reach adulthood, they deserve to work through that if they want to renounce their other citizenship and become Americans, as this is their "homeland". And yes, their illegal parents should be deported.

Face it, whites are going to be the minority in the United States rather quickly, and deporting every non-white you see isn't going to change that.

So if it's not about race for you, what's it about for you? Stealing American jobs? That's been proven embarassingly false this past year with the "Take Our Job" program. You just don't like immigrants? Which types? Irish? German? Australian? Mexican? Haitian? What is the terrible danger you see here, about the children of illegals working towards citizenship and choosing - wanting - to be citizens of this country?

Secure the border? Why? Don't you pay attention to this immigrant issue that worries you so much? ICE has deported 40,000 people in the past couple years - ICE is under attack for doing TOO MUCH getting rid of illegals.

i went back thru the posts in this thread regarding the dream act, and the only one to mention color and a specific nationality was you. i find that interesting. i think everyone here knows the problem with our southern border at present, the drug tunnels, etc. not many coming in on the coasts, the ocean being a pesky barrier to that. that leaves land routes north and south, right? there are several issues right now with immigration. i doubt any kind of amnesty type plan will be put thru right now, considering the amount of issues we're having to deal with. it's an important issue to tackle, but far from the most important right now.

[dellinger63]

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Secure the border? Why? Don't you pay attention to this immigrant issue that worries you so much? ICE has deported 40,000 people in the past couple years - ICE is under attack for doing TOO MUCH getting rid of illegals.

Finally something you said is right. A government agency accused of doing their job. God help us and the U.S. And thank the lord most Fed agencies are safe, starting with the USPO.

Please don't let this bleed into our military.