Obama and the Military

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

nascar, with ss recipients and fed workers having their pay frozen, why you would think the military would receive a big raise is beyond me. i know any way you can attack the prez is considered a good thing to you...but this country is in poor shape, and no one can justify big raises. the military is a huge expense, too huge really. btw, nascar, people might take you more seriously if you didn't immediately stoop to name calling as soon as someone takes a contrary position to your own. besides, everyone know what our military does for us. but right now, they also know the fix we're in.

See item #13. Also with this country not in great shape why do we give these other countries an astronomical amount of aid. Im not bashing just Obama on this one but all President's. We dont have the money why should we support these other countries? Dont you think that is part of the problem?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

See item #13. Also with this country not in great shape why do we give these other countries an astronomical amount of aid. Im not bashing just Obama on this one but all President's. We dont have the money why should we support these other countries? Dont you think that is part of the problem?

i posted a graph a couple months back when someone mentioned foreign aid. it's not anywhere even remotely close to the two largest drains on the federal budget, social security and the military. every depts budget is small compared to dod. like i posted elsewhere, our military spending is equal to the military budget of every other country in the world combined. the united states has half the worlds military spending. that is mind-boggling to me. we are relatively isolated from much of the world. we need to spend that much on defense? really? we don't give an 'astronomical' amount of aid, not as a percentage of total spending.
the real issue is that we now must dig ourselves out of a hole that's been decades in the making. and no one wants to make the real decisions to make that happen. our govt spent when they had, and now spend when they don't have. the deficit in turn negatively affects the economy. there needs to be real change, and soon. cuts need to happen, and i'm not talking of a freeze on fed salaries.

but, no doubt that all that positive change not happening is due to the republican filibuster.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i posted a graph a couple months back when someone mentioned foreign aid. it's not anywhere even remotely close to the two largest drains on the federal budget, social security and the military. every depts budget is small compared to dod. like i posted elsewhere, our military spending is equal to the military budget of every other country in the world combined. the united states has half the worlds military spending. that is mind-boggling to me. we are relatively isolated from much of the world. we need to spend that much on defense? really? we don't give an 'astronomical' amount of aid, not as a percentage of total spending.
the real issue is that we now must dig ourselves out of a hole that's been decades in the making. and no one wants to make the real decisions to make that happen. our govt spent when they had, and now spend when they don't have. the deficit in turn negatively affects the economy. there needs to be real change, and soon. cuts need to happen, and i'm not talking of a freeze on fed salaries.

but, no doubt that all that positive change not happening is due to the republican filibuster.

It's always the Republican Party's fault isn't it. Wonder if the
President's, Senator's, Congressman's, and the President's and First Lady's staff are going
to have their wages frozen. Another way to help the budget is to get out of Iraq.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the main reasons why Bush started the war in Iraq was because of so-called Weapons of Mass Destruction?
I haven't heard of these weapons being found yet Mr. Bush.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

It's always the Republican Party's fault isn't it. Wonder if the
President's, Senator's, Congressman's, and the President's and First Lady's staff are going
to have their wages frozen. Another way to help the budget is to get out of Iraq.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the main reasons why Bush started the war in Iraq was because of so-called Weapons of Mass Destruction?
I haven't heard of these weapons being found yet Mr. Bush.

no, it's not always the reps fault. everyone seems to forget that all of congress voted to go back into iraq. now, it's bush and co who apparently lied (remember colin powell leaving when he found out he'd been duped?) but congress went right along. and members of congress are privy to much of the same info as the prez, but he makes a convenient scapegoat.
the main problem is that when money was flowing, so was the spending. now, the bubbles have burst, and our feds aren't in much of a position to get us out, since they're already so deep in debt. which causes a drag on our economy recovering. so, now we have a dog chasing it's tail, and the only 'meaningful' thing obama has produced this year is health care, which is a further drain on the treasury. he put that first, after saying the economy would come first. oops.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, it's not always the reps fault. everyone seems to forget that all of congress voted to go back into iraq. now, it's bush and co who apparently lied (remember colin powell leaving when he found out he'd been duped?) but congress went right along. and members of congress are privy to much of the same info as the prez, but he makes a convenient scapegoat.
the main problem is that when money was flowing, so was the spending. now, the bubbles have burst, and our feds aren't in much of a position to get us out, since they're already so deep in debt. which causes a drag on our economy recovering. so, now we have a dog chasing it's tail, and the only 'meaningful' thing obama has produced this year is health care, which is a further drain on the treasury. he put that first, after saying the economy would come first. oops.

Didn't Obama also say fixing unemployment was another priority? Wait thats another one of his lies.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Didn't Obama also say fixing unemployment was another priority? Wait thats another one of his lies.

He lied! He wants everyone on unemployment so that there is more traffic on internet forums!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

It's always the Republican Party's fault isn't it. Wonder if the
President's, Senator's, Congressman's, and the President's and First Lady's staff are going
to have their wages frozen. Another way to help the budget is to get out of Iraq.
.

Yes, the wages of Congressmen and Senators was frozen a year ago, first Lady's staff this year, all staff except military this year.

John Boehner (incoming House Speaker) has aready announced his first vote will be to freeze Congressmen's office budgets. Whoopee But I guess he gets credit for trying.

"Well, how about we start with cutting Congress? I'm going to cut my budget, my leadership budget five percent. I'm going to cut all the leadership budgets by five percent. I'm going to cut every committee's budget by five percent," Boehner told Lesley Stahl of CBS News's "60 Minutes." "And every member is going to see a five percent reduction in their allowance. All together that's $25-$30 million and it likely would be one of the first votes we cast."

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, the wages of Congressmen and Senators was frozen a year ago, first Lady's staff this year, all staff except military this year.

John Boehner (incoming House Speaker) has aready announced his first vote will be to freeze Congressmen's office budgets. Whoopee But I guess he gets credit for trying.."

are they really going to be frozen or just more BS COLA freezes?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

are they really going to be frozen or just more BS COLA freezes?

Why don't you go look it up? Read an article? Read a newspaper?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why don't you go look it up? Read an article? Read a newspaper?

I did and with Obama I liked the pay freeze until the next day everyone got their raises just not COLA raises