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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I always thought he was overrated on the track as well.

Not really - there have been a whole lot worse who got a whole lot more hype.

Neil Howard was his trainer for crying out loud - Neil Howard.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Not really - there have been a whole lot worse who got a whole lot more hype.

Neil Howard was his trainer for crying out loud - Neil Howard.

I heard he was the best horse since Spectacular Bid.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I heard he was the best horse since Spectacular Bid.

Maybe on Thoro-Graph figures - for about six weeks...until the first of about 38 horses to surpass his all-time record figure came along.

[cmorioles]

Shocking news.

[randallscott35]

He's been a heckuva lot better than Ghostzapper in the shed, that's for sure.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Maybe on Thoro-Graph figures - for about six weeks...until the first of about 38 horses to surpass his all-time record figure came along.

It was tongue in cheek, a member of this forum has espoused the theory that Mineshaft was the best horse since the Bid and I was breaking his balls a bit.

If only the four or five best handicap horses of 2003 could have gotten in the gate together at some point it would have been interesting. Medaglia d'Oro had a good year and was walloped by Candy Ride, so those three would have certainly made for an interesting race along with Pleasantly Perfect and Dynever of course.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He's been a heckuva lot better than Ghostzapper in the shed, that's for sure.

You can't compare a 4th crop sire to a 2nd crop sire. That being said, GZ has been horrendous, even if his production of GI winners matches Mineshaft.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Congaree was awesome that year - and Perfect Drift was a total beast as well. If Perfect Drift had any trainer other than Murray Johnson - he probably would have been the best horse since Bid. PD kept running monster races that year for a trainer who was like 4-for-100 and would claim a horse and watch it sink like a rock to the bottom.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Congaree was awesome that year - and Perfect Drift was a total beast as well. If Perfect Drift had any trainer other than Murray Johnson - he probably would have been the best horse since Bid. PD kept running monster races that year for a trainer who was like 4-for-100 and would claim a horse and watch it sink like a rock to the bottom.

Is Murray Johnson alive?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Is Murray Johnson alive?

He's been out of the training game for a while. If he ever makes a comeback - it should be at River Downs.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It was tongue in cheek, a member of this forum has espoused the theory that Mineshaft was the best horse since the Bid and I was breaking his balls a bit.

If only the four or five best handicap horses of 2003 could have gotten in the gate together at some point it would have been interesting. Medaglia d'Oro had a good year and was walloped by Candy Ride, so those three would have certainly made for an interesting race along with Pleasantly Perfect and Dynever of course.



You can't compare a 4th crop sire to a 2nd crop sire. That being said, GZ has been horrendous, even if his production of GI winners matches Mineshaft.

I can do whatever I want. And Dirtnappers G1 is synthetic I believe so it doesn't count.