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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck you miss the point... In a lifetime of bad 140mil contracts they will never be less then billionaires.. Basically if they want to sign Crawford for 150 and Lee for 200 it doesnt matter..It's not 400mil this year its 400mil over 7 years ... On 4 bil they earn 400mil a year plus you really think an extra 7 or 37 mil a year in suspect spending matters..

If the Nats become a real team and break even all is good? In Wash if they become a significant team the revenue will be around to support the crazy spending.

The Pirates might be the best value in baseball.. They earn a ton, spend little, and you can still take your your fam of 4 to the gane for 100 bux in box seats.. The same game event at Yanks is 1500.. the Pirates have zero shot of winning but everybody in Pitts can bring their kids to a game and sit in prime seats.. You want to watch the Yanks vs. Baltimore on a tues in July in great seats? Perhaps 1500 will get it done for the night...

Yeah but where is the plan here Freddy? The Nats don't have the revenue stream yet to support moves like this. How many more games is Jason Werth going to win you? How many more seats is he going to fill?

Wouldn't a more viable plan be to reduce ticket prices, promote the entertainment product and patiently grow a longterm contender? Wouldn't it have been smarter to keep Dunn and overpay him as he was already a popular player in this area?

Werth is a third tier player at best and by no means remotely close to being any kind of draw.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yeah but where is the plan here Freddy? The Nats don't have the revenue stream yet to support moves like this. How many more games is Jason Werth going to win you? How many more seats is he going to fill?

Wouldn't a more viable plan be to reduce ticket prices, promote the entertainment product and patiently grow a longterm contender? Wouldn't it have been smarter to keep Dunn and overpay him as he was already a popular player in this area?

Werth is a third tier player at best and by no means remotely close to being any kind of draw.

Agreed. With so many (relatively) cheap, short term options available why not wait till a real star player comes on the market? Sign Derrick lee to play first. Give him 10 million for a 1 year deal. Take a shot on a japanese guy and try to pave the way to take a shot at Yu Darvish next year. They have a 5 star catching prospect that should be ready in 2012. Play Flores and Ramos instead of Pudge and try to elevate their stature and deal them to a team looking for a young catcher. Sign cheap guys like they did with Capps and flip them to contenders in need. Look what Seattle did with Lee last year. Traded away 3 non-star prospects for Lee and then flipped him for a 5 star prospect at the deadline.

[Cannon Shell]

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

I think the Sox are clearly the frontrunners for the world series with these last two moves and I don't see who can touch them on paper even if the Yanks sign Lee.

They are still suspect at short, behind the plate and in middle relief but that is one potent lineup in that little league ball park. Middle relief shouldn't be hard to fill. The key will be at catcher. They desperately need a catcher (or two) that can handle that staff.

You have to give them credit for spending the cash to catch up with the yanks. I don't want to hear anything about buying championships though.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I think the Sox are clearly the frontrunners for the world series with these last two moves and I don't see who can touch them on paper even if the Yanks sign Lee.

They are still suspect at short, behind the plate and in middle relief but that is one potent lineup in that little league ball park. Middle relief shouldn't be hard to fill. The key will be at catcher. They desperately need a catcher (or two) that can handle that staff.

You have to give them credit for spending the cash to catch up with the yanks. I don't want to hear anything about buying championships though.

Scutaro is ok at SS. I think they are going to try to resurect Saltamacchia with Varitek as his tudor. Who knows what bullpen arms they will add but an interesting project is former 1st round pick Andrew Miller who they traded a minor leaguer for. They non-tendered him but are thought to be bringing him back at a lower salary and are going to try him out of the bullpen.

The key for them is they added Crawford and Gonzalez AND still have a ton of almost ready prospects to move when they need to. I wouldn't be too surprised if they made another trade with SD for a RP.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Scutaro is ok at SS. I think they are going to try to resurect Saltamacchia with Varitek as his tudor. Who knows what bullpen arms they will add but an interesting project is former 1st round pick Andrew Miller who they traded a minor leaguer for. They non-tendered him but are thought to be bringing him back at a lower salary and are going to try him out of the bullpen.

The key for them is they added Crawford and Gonzalez AND still have a ton of almost ready prospects to move when they need to. I wouldn't be too surprised if they made another trade with SD for a RP.

Saltamacchia? Thats like putting a cheap steering wheel on a maserati. I don't know how he calls a game but that sure is a pretty temperamental staff with guys like beckett and lackey.

Lester, bucholz, lackey, beckett and daiseke. Thats pretty formidable even before you mention the kids that they will be working in.

I wouldn't screw around with catcher if I were Theo. You just spent all of that money on two guys and you have a 50 million dollar rotation. Overpay in propects via trade for a good vet and call it a day. I read somewhere that they were looking at Russell from LA.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Saltamacchia? Thats like putting a cheap steering wheel on a maserati. I don't know how he calls a game but that sure is a pretty temperamental staff with guys like beckett and lackey.

Lester, bucholz, lackey, beckett and daiseke. Thats pretty formidable even before you mention the kids that they will be working in.

I wouldn't screw around with catcher if I were Theo. You just spent all of that money on two guys and you have a 50 million dollar rotation. Overpay in propects via trade for a good vet and call it a day. I read somewhere that they were looking at Russell from LA.

Supposedly they are looking at Martin. He comes reasonably cheap but has stunk the last 2 years at the plate and is coming off of hip surgery which caused him to miss the last part of last year. Of course the yankees are also interested in him so who knows if Boston is just driving the price up. I would think that with a veteran staff and Varitek as a security blanket, catching wont be a major issue. I will go on record now as saying that whoever signs Martin will be underwhelmed.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

...and the beat goes on....

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5900903

If the above happens, I will not be happy. It would be nice if they dumped somebody like Shields, not Garza, to make room for Hellickson in the rotation. They'd better get a ton from the Cubs for him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

...and the beat goes on....

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5900903

If the above happens, I will not be happy. It would be nice if they dumped somebody like Shields, not Garza, to make room for Hellickson in the rotation. They'd better get a ton from the Cubs for him.

Chicago Cubs
Four-Star Prospects
1. Brett Jackson, OF
2. Trey McNutt, RHP
3. Chris Archer, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Josh Vitters, 3B
5. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
6. Chris Carpenter, RHP
7. Hayden Simpson, RHP
8. Reggie Golden, OF
9. Jay Jackson, RHP
10. Robinson Lopez, RHP
11. Brandon Guyer, OF

Nine More:
12. Robinson Chirinos, C: This converted infielder is improving defensively, and he can really hit.
13. Marquez Smith, 3B: He's a bit of an older prospect, but Smith can provide power and defense at the hot corner.
14. Wellington Castillo, C: He has a plus arm and power; and could turn into nice backup or second-division starter.
15. Rafael Dolis, RHP: He's another power arm in a system full of them; scouts want to see him in relief.
16. Ben Wells, RHP: This seventh-round pick was late-riser in the spring; he has low-90s heat with projection.
17. Brett Wallach, RHP: The ex-Dodger arm could move up with more consistent control; his stuff is plus.
18. Darwin Barney, UT: He'll never be a star, will rarely start, but Barney could play a decade in the majors.
19. Austin Reed, RHP: One of the talks of Arizona, scouts love his size and arm action.
20. Alberto Cabrera, RHP: This long, skinny Dominican has plus-plus velo, but needs to refine his secondary stuff.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago Cubs
Four-Star Prospects
1. Brett Jackson, OF
2. Trey McNutt, RHP
3. Chris Archer, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Josh Vitters, 3B
5. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
6. Chris Carpenter, RHP
7. Hayden Simpson, RHP
8. Reggie Golden, OF
9. Jay Jackson, RHP
10. Robinson Lopez, RHP
11. Brandon Guyer, OF

Nine More:
12. Robinson Chirinos, C: This converted infielder is improving defensively, and he can really hit.
13. Marquez Smith, 3B: He's a bit of an older prospect, but Smith can provide power and defense at the hot corner.
14. Wellington Castillo, C: He has a plus arm and power; and could turn into nice backup or second-division starter.
15. Rafael Dolis, RHP: He's another power arm in a system full of them; scouts want to see him in relief.
16. Ben Wells, RHP: This seventh-round pick was late-riser in the spring; he has low-90s heat with projection.
17. Brett Wallach, RHP: The ex-Dodger arm could move up with more consistent control; his stuff is plus.
18. Darwin Barney, UT: He'll never be a star, will rarely start, but Barney could play a decade in the majors.
19. Austin Reed, RHP: One of the talks of Arizona, scouts love his size and arm action.
20. Alberto Cabrera, RHP: This long, skinny Dominican has plus-plus velo, but needs to refine his secondary stuff.

Thanks for the info. The rumor seems to have quieted down a bit in the last day or so, but if it goes through, I now have a sporty refernce list. Should I be concerned if the "prospects" the Rays get aren't in the top 20?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Thanks for the info. The rumor seems to have quieted down a bit in the last day or so, but if it goes through, I now have a sporty refernce list. Should I be concerned if the "prospects" the Rays get aren't in the top 20?

Not really. As long as they are on the list they are actual prospects. This is Kevin Goldstein's list and he is the best guy out there, at least in regards to publicly available information.

I dont understand why they are wanting to get rid of Garza unless they think better to sell high on him? His K rate did dip but that was coming off an abnormally high rate for him in 09. He is eligible for arbitration but i dont think he can become a Free Agent till 2014.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago Cubs
Four-Star Prospects
1. Brett Jackson, OF
2. Trey McNutt, RHP
3. Chris Archer, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Josh Vitters, 3B
5. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
6. Chris Carpenter, RHP
7. Hayden Simpson, RHP
8. Reggie Golden, OF
9. Jay Jackson, RHP
10. Robinson Lopez, RHP
11. Brandon Guyer, OF

Nine More:
12. Robinson Chirinos, C: This converted infielder is improving defensively, and he can really hit.
13. Marquez Smith, 3B: He's a bit of an older prospect, but Smith can provide power and defense at the hot corner.
14. Wellington Castillo, C: He has a plus arm and power; and could turn into nice backup or second-division starter.
15. Rafael Dolis, RHP: He's another power arm in a system full of them; scouts want to see him in relief.
16. Ben Wells, RHP: This seventh-round pick was late-riser in the spring; he has low-90s heat with projection.
17. Brett Wallach, RHP: The ex-Dodger arm could move up with more consistent control; his stuff is plus.
18. Darwin Barney, UT: He'll never be a star, will rarely start, but Barney could play a decade in the majors.
19. Austin Reed, RHP: One of the talks of Arizona, scouts love his size and arm action.
20. Alberto Cabrera, RHP: This long, skinny Dominican has plus-plus velo, but needs to refine his secondary stuff.

Well, it appears to be done. Garza and Perez for 4 of Cannon's top 12. Obviously a wait and see type trade.

The Rays desperately need offense at catcher. With Barlett gone, SS depth can't hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5998431

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Well, it appears to be done. Garza and Perez for 4 of Cannon's top 12. Obviously a wait and see type trade.

The Rays desperately need offense at catcher. With Barlett gone, SS depth can't hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5998431

Archer will be definitely the one to watch.
It will be interesting with Chirinos.
As for the other 2...bleh!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Well, it appears to be done. Garza and Perez for 4 of Cannon's top 12. Obviously a wait and see type trade.

The Rays desperately need offense at catcher. With Barlett gone, SS depth can't hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5998431

•Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 7 IP, 8 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K. A disappointment for most of the year but finishing with a flurry; one run allowed in two Triple-A starts. 9/2

Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Double-A Montgomery): 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 5 BB, 4 K. Control continues to be the only issue, as the stuff to be a good big league starter is there. 8/17

top 50 minor league prospects ranking as of 8/6
19. Hak-Ju Lee, SS, Rays (Preseason: NR)
Has exploded with the Rays by hitting for average, drawing walks, stealing bases, and playing a solid shortstop with an outstanding arm. Shortstops that can hit at the top of the order are worth their weight in gold.


Acquired in the Matt Garza trade, Chirinos is the third piece of the return to reach the majors for the Rays this season, joining Sam Fuld and Brandon Guyer. At first blush, Chirinos’ .265/.341/.378 line appears mediocre, but if you break it down month-by-month he looks better:

April: .176/.253/.191
May: .333/.380/.424
June: .256/.344/.385
July: .324/.419/.622


Brandon Guyer, OF, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 4-for-4, 2 2B, 4 R, R, BB, SB. Has been slumping of late, but still hitting .316/.390/.513 overall in 76 games.


So far looking great for the Rays

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Supposedly Boston signed Carl Crawford 7 years/142 million.

Why not.. I hate the sox but their fans are great and they missed the playoffs.

[slotdirt]

The Nats tickets are pennies compared to the Yankees or some other teams. Things aren't cheap down here, but it's nothing like New York.

[horseofcourse]

Indians signed Jack Hanahan. Evidently it's not the columbus zoo guy who goes on Letterman. who knew.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Indians signed Jack Hanahan. Evidently it's not the columbus zoo guy who goes on Letterman. who knew.

he should add one more "a" to the end of his last name.