The real party of NO, the GOP, steps it up

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The point of the healthcare debate is that Obama started too far towards compromise. Just like he did before this, saying he's willing to extend tax cuts for the rich before negotiations even started.

Obama got a second massive stimulus bill out of this, which will certainly help the economy and jobs, but nothing here is paid for. Nothing. I think that is a huge mistake.

I hope the House progressives holds out for eliminating tax cuts for those over 1 million just to pay for half of it. Shoot, go for 2 million. That'll still pay for nearly half of it.

The small business community should be far more thrilled with what Obama did here for them, than what the GOP did for the minority of the richest (making sure millionaires and billionaires keep their extra $25,000 a year).
Here's a reasonable summation from YahooFinance (Greg somebody, their financial columnist)

LOL

oh ok. Now it was all Obama's idea?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL

oh ok. Now it was all Obama's idea?

Holding like a brick wall on tax cuts for the wealthy is the GOP idea. The estate tax at 5 million (rather than 3) and at 35% (rather than 55%) was GOP. Yeah - the rest of the stuff for business was Obama.

Do you literally simply never pay attention to the news at all?

[SOREHOOF]

It's not the Govt.'s money. The $25,000 they say they are losing isn't theirs in the first place!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It's not the Govt.'s money. The $25,000 they say they are losing isn't theirs in the first place!

People need to get a grip. Bush gave a temporary decrease in the tax rate. It had a sunset date. Anything anybody gets beyond that is a brand new deal. The difference between 2001 and 2003 (when this unfunded change occurred) is that now we've spent those years borrowing from China and the Saudis to pay for it, and we are trillions in debt.

This whole thing isn't a done deal by any means. Tax bills come out of the House. John Boehner has already publicly admitted he's not even whipping his caucus to vote for this (the GOP is still completely obstructing anything Obama wants - un effing believable). The Dem progressive caucus is still furious at Obama and threatening no.

Right now the votes are not there. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_793540.html

It could go that nothing happens, all the tax cuts, unemployment, etc. just expire. 218 is the magic number.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

People need to get a grip. Bush gave a temporary decrease in the tax rate. It had a sunset date. Anything anybody gets beyond that is a brand new deal. The difference between 2001 and 2003 (when this unfunded change occurred) is that now we've spent those years borrowing from China and the Saudis to pay for it, and we are trillions in debt.

This whole thing isn't a done deal by any means. Tax bills come out of the House. John Boehner has already publicly admitted he's not even whipping his caucus to vote for this (the GOP is still completely obstructing anything Obama wants - un effing believable). The Dem progressive caucus is still furious at Obama and threatening no.

Right now the votes are not there. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_793540.html

It could go that nothing happens, all the tax cuts, unemployment, etc. just expire. 218 is the magic number.

There you go again connecting things that arent really related. The US deficit is primarily from spending too much, not from not collecting enough. Bush spent like a Democrat which was his primary downfall.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There you go again connecting things that arent really related. The US deficit is primarily from spending too much, not from not collecting enough. Bush spent like a Democrat which was his primary downfall.

There you go again, misstating what I said. Giving massive tax cuts isn't spending. It's income reduction. Two wars and the largest Medicare entitlement program ever is spending.

BTW, the Dems of the past 60 years are not the party of spending. You might do a reality check on some of your assumptions.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

There you go again, misstating what I said. Giving massive tax cuts isn't spending. It's income reduction. Two wars and the largest Medicare entitlement program ever is spending.

BTW, the Dems of the past 60 years are not the party of spending. You might do a reality check on some of your assumptions.

I didnt misstate anything. As I said the tax cuts arent the reason there is a deficit, it was spending. Did you miss the part where i said Bush spent a lot?

The Democrats of the last 2 years have spent at a record smashing pace.

What happened 60 years ago is hardly relevant

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Holding like a brick wall on tax cuts for the wealthy is the GOP idea. The estate tax at 5 million (rather than 3) and at 35% (rather than 55%) was GOP. Yeah - the rest of the stuff for business was Obama.

Yes the new business friendly President.

Your "twist" on the news is always interesting.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yes the new business friendly President.

Your "twist" on the news is always interesting.

The President has always been for business and job stimulus. You miss that?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The President has always been for business and job stimulus. You miss that?

http://is.gd/iiw3u

list of waivers.....many of Zero's buddies on here.....gravy train!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The President has always been for business and job stimulus. You miss that?

Yeah everybody is "for" business and jobs (not sure what job stimulus is?) but he hasnt done much until "forced" by the GOP especially considering the state of the economy

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah everybody is "for" business and jobs (not sure what job stimulus is?) but he hasnt done much until "forced" by the GOP especially considering the state of the economy

Do tell how the GOP has "forced" Obama to address jobs, the recovery, the recession.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do tell how the GOP has "forced" Obama to address jobs, the recovery, the recession.

Do you really think that anything would have been done except an extention of the cuts for under 250k and extending unemployent benefits without the GOP standing firm?

[Cannon Shell]

Riot acts like "every economist" agrees with her version of the world, remember this article

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...MoreIn_Opinion

[Cannon Shell]

More anti-Riot opinion

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...416429402.html

[Cannon Shell]

Surely Riot will find fault with this

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...n_AboveLEFTTop

An opinion piece that doesnt "favor" Wall Street in the WSJ

She will still disagree i'm sure

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...wsreel_opinion

Another WSJ piece that finds fault with a republican!

Too bad you dont find such even handed, fair analysis in Riot's typically leftist links

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Surely Riot will find fault with this

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...n_AboveLEFTTop

An opinion piece that doesnt "favor" Wall Street in the WSJ

She will still disagree i'm sure

No, actually I agree with alot of that. I even read the WSJ regularly all by myself

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

More anti-Riot opinion

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...416429402.html

I think I'll start labeling what I say as "anti-Chuck" opinion. Because, you know, it's not a thread talking about, or disagreeing about, the politics, it's a thread about other posters

Let's talk about this: what do you think about this deal that Obama and the GOP cut? What do you like about it, what do you dislike about it? Do you think it has any chance of passing intact?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think I'll start labeling what I say as "anti-Chuck" opinion. Because, you know, it's not a thread talking about, or disagreeing about, the politics, it's a thread about other posters

Let's talk about this: what do you think about this deal that Obama and the GOP cut? What do you like about it, what do you dislike about it? Do you think it has any chance of passing intact?

You should take it as a compliment. Few posters are so rigid in their views that they can be described as a noun, verb and adverb.

I don't know that we know what the deal actually is. I know what has been given but there may be a sacrificial lamb or two in there.

For certain I believe the continuation of the tax cuts are a positive step. The payroll tax holiday was something I was asking for 2 years ago, glad that made it. The estate tax compromise was ok I guess but the reality is it is grossly unfair to tax someone for dying. The expensing provision was good too but extending it further would have help as it appears like most of the deal to be Obama trying to stimulate the economy on the way to reelection. Extending the unemployment benefits 13 months is fine with me. The other mostly symbolic things are immaterial to me.

I dont know if it will pass intact but I would think that the democrats wont risk messing with it too much. Regardless of how much you or they hate it, a deal has been made that directly benefits most Americans (except those whose u/e benefits ran out). The head democrat has signed on. If they block or signifigantly mess with it, the blame will squarely fall on them.