Ruffian - maybe the greatest debut of all-time

[santana]

I was at the track the day she broke her maiden..I had a tip on another horse in that race. I really wish i remember who it was , but i dont.
I dont think i missed another race she ran in...Just an amazing horse.

[Indian Charlie]

I wonder what Gilded Time got in his first two starts.

Melair in her last start.

The races between Greinton and Precisionist at HP in their 4yo season.

[MISTERGEE]

I wonder if Landaluce beyers in her short career were near that 100 range?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I wonder if Landaluce beyers in her short career were near that 100 range?

Hell yes.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I wonder if Landaluce beyers in her short career were near that 100 range?

I don't quite have enough info to project Landaluce - but I think one of the most interesting votes in history was her winning a 2yo championship over Princess Rooney.

Both of them were sensationally fast 2yo's - and I actually rated both the two best 2yo fillies of the 1980's. However, I'm confident Princess Rooney was much faster than Landaluce beyond 7fs. Landaluce was almost certainly faster at sprint distances - but maybe not by much actually. I think Princess Rooney probably should have won that vote.

Here is what some of Landaluce's competition looked like:

* 2nd by 21 to Landaluce on July 10th:



* 2nd by 10 to Landaluce on Oct 11th:



* 2nd by 6.5 to Landaluce on Sep 5th:



* 2nd by 2 to Landaluce on Oct 23rd:




Meanwhile, Princeess Rooney destroyed everything in Florida - and came East and smoked some nice competition there by wide margins. The day of A. P. Indy and Summer Squall was having a solid year and Princess Rooney demolished her.

Ruffian was a better 2yo sprinter than Landaluce - and probably any other horse for that matter.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I wonder what Gilded Time got in his first two starts.

Gilded Time ran a 79 in his debut (Broke last - won handily in 1:10.20) - he ran a 102 in his second career start - a half length win over Wild Zone in 1:07.80 at MTH

John Shirreffs Hook And Ladder ran a 110 in his debut as a 2yo - I believe the fastest 2yo debut ever published. Formal Gold's debut came at age 3.

Holy Bull ran a 101 in his debut as a 2yo. Kelly Kip a 104. Discreet Cat a 106. More Than Ready won 3 sprint stakes as a 2yo in June-July in the 102 to 105 range. Orville N Wilburs (who set the pace in Indian Charlie's Santa Anita Derby win) ran a 108 in his 2nd start at age 2. Forest Camp ran a 106 in the Del Mar Futurity

I don't have enough info to project Melair at age 3 - but I think her last win was probably supersonic.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Gilded Time ran a 79 in his debut (Broke last - won handily in 1:10.20) - he ran a 102 in his second career start - a half length win over Wild Zone in 1:07.80 at MTH

John Shirreffs Hook And Ladder ran a 110 in his debut as a 2yo - I believe the fastest 2yo debut ever published. Formal Gold's debut came at age 3.

Holy Bull ran a 101 in his debut as a 2yo. Kelly Kip a 104. Discreet Cat a 106. More Than Ready won 3 sprint stakes as a 2yo in June-July in the 102 to 105 range. Orville N Wilburs (who set the pace in Indian Charlie's Santa Anita Derby win) ran a 108 in his 2nd start at age 2. Forest Camp ran a 106 in the Del Mar Futurity

I don't have enough info to project Melair at age 3 - but I think her last win was probably supersonic.

Yeah, I should have figured that Gilded Time would have a slow fig for his debut. It was a decent time, but visually, it was spectacular.

I remember a Peterhof FTS trained by, I think, Gary Jones that won by about 10 in her debut. It was from his first crop and might have been his first starter, for all I know. Mccarron, after the race, jokingly quipped "Those Peterhofs sure can run".

I wish I remembered the name!

[Indian Charlie]

Oh, what did All Slewped Up get in his debut again? Was it a 110? Or 101?

[Linny]

Originally Posted by santana

I was at the track the day she broke her maiden..I had a tip on another horse in that race. I really wish i remember who it was , but i dont.
I dont think i missed another race she ran in...Just an amazing horse.

I think the favorite was Woody's Stephens' filly Suzest. Woody really thought he had a nice filly and she was a bit of a talking horse 'til Ruffian shut that all up.

[santana]

Originally Posted by Linny

I think the favorite was Woody's Stephens' filly Suzest. Woody really thought he had a nice filly and she was a bit of a talking horse 'til Ruffian shut that all up.

More than likeky that was the horse...I loved everything about Ruffian except her rider.....what a ahole towards the fans.

[MISTERGEE]

speaking of great debuts, one of the best I remember being from S Fla is the debut of Pulpit. I dont know the beyer # but I know it seemed like a very special performance