The Senator-elect from Illinois has dubious math skills

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

More GOP hypocrisy regarding deficit reduction and spending:

Let me guess? Think Progress.com

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let me guess? Think Progress.com

You guys are hysterical - yes, it was TP. But Kirk was talking on Morning Joe with Scarborough. Are you saying that Kirk didn't say those things?

Or you just want to express your dislike the news outlets that are covering it?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You guys are hysterical - yes, it was TP. But Kirk was talking on Morning Joe with Scarborough. Are you saying that Kirk didn't say those things?

Or you just want to express your dislike the news outlets that are covering it?

Why didn't you simply quote Kirk w/o TP's biased commentary, which made up 75% of the post?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Why didn't you simply quote Kirk w/o TP's biased commentary, which made up 75% of the post?

Because the background information about what and when things expire are integral to the story?

You're kinda making a laughable complaint here, Dell, that you don't like the messenger. Okay, you don't like the messenger. That wasn't the point or the focus of the story.

[dellinger63]

and hypocrisy?

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=21

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and hypocrisy?

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...1&postcount=21

What are you saying is hypocritical in this? "The other thing the Dems are doing is gearing up a better PR machine. They are notoriously lousy at publicizing their successes. Passed largest middle-class tax cut in history - Obama, Pelosi Reid Passed largest budget-cut in history - over 1 billion to reduce the deficit in one year - Obama, Pelosi, Reid"

[Riot]

Here Dell - here's the original video of Kirk's interviews, untainted by any TP background. We'll let his own words speak for themselves. First being a two-faced hypocrite on Fox News, then on Morning Joe (MSNBC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hryuS...layer_embedded

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Here Dell - here's the original video of Kirk's interviews, untainted by any TP background. We'll let his own words speak for themselves. First being a two-faced hypocrite on Fox News, then on Morning Joe (MSNBC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hryuS...layer_embedded

Some people believe it or not feel it unfair to tax one American at one percentage of income (some none at all) and another at a rate double or triple that percentage. How about instead of reforming our health care system (ranked tops by the King of Saudi Arabia among others) lets reform our tax system making it fair for all. National sales tax at a even percentage.

ie. the rich man will pay more in taxes for say a new Bugatti while the poor man will pay far less though an inflated price for his clunker (if he can find one courtesy of Pres. Obama's 3 billion cash for clunkers program.) Thus a much, much lower tax and in reality the Bugatti buyer at 5% would pay in tax 15K while the clunker buyer would pay $250 bucks on a $5K car. In the end the rich would pay far more than the poor and everyone would be EQUAL under the law which should be the ultimate target anyway. No?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What are you saying is hypocritical in this? "The other thing the Dems are doing is gearing up a better PR machine. They are notoriously lousy at publicizing their successes. Passed largest middle-class tax cut in history - Obama, Pelosi Reid Passed largest budget-cut in history - over 1 billion to reduce the deficit in one year - Obama, Pelosi, Reid"

They raised the budget by 500 billion in 09 (submitted by Bush $3.1 Trillion) v. $3.6 Trillion Obama '10. And not to be outdone raised it another 200 billion for 2011 ($3.8 Trillion)

SO AFTER RAISING THE BUDGET BY 700 BILLION YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR PASSING THE LARGEST BUDGET CUT ( 1 BILLION )? THOSE WHO BUY THIS ARE NOT DONKEYS BUT ASSES!

THAT'S NOT ONLY HYPOCRITICAL IT'S AN INSULT AND A CON-JOB

US Budget Info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...federal_budget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...federal_budget

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

They raised the budget by 500 billion in 09 (submitted by Bush $3.1 Trillion) v. $3.6 Trillion Obama '10. And not to be outdone raised it another 200 billion for 2011 ($3.8 Trillion)

SO AFTER RAISING THE BUDGET BY 700 BILLION YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR PASSING THE LARGEST BUDGET CUT ( 1 BILLION )? THOSE WHO BUY THIS ARE NOT DONKEYS BUT ASSES!

THAT'S NOT ONLY HYPOCRITICAL IT'S AN INSULT AND A CON-JOB

US Budget Info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...federal_budget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...federal_budget

It's a nice thread hijack, but what do you think about Mark Kirk? What do you think about saying you only will renew unemployment if it's paid for, but you'll raise the deficit 700 billion to give tax cuts to the rich, unpaid for, "No matter what" ?

Doesn't that make Kirk sound very beholden to the special interests of the wealthiest 2% of Americans, while he's willing to literally let other of his fellow Americans - millions - starve at Christmas because they can't find work during the biggest recession since the great Depression?

America has NEVER done that to it's citizens before - turned it's back on our citizens while unemployment is so high. You're okay with that? Yes or no?

Now, to get to your thread hijack: Obama, Pelosi and Reid are trying to cut 700 billion from the budget deficit. You won't give credit for 1 billion, certainly you must appreciate and endorse cutting 700 billion. The GOP is blocking that. Are you for that, or against that? You want to cut 700 billion, or not?

If your only criteria and desire for a budget at the brink of serious world-wide depression and then a major recession is the black and white simplicity of lower numbers, please go take Governmental Finance 101 to see the disaster that would have lead to.

There are parts of the budget (Bush especially) that were not negotiable in the face of a major depression. And let's look again at what the budget contributed to the deficit, how it got there after the Clinton years, and where it's going, okay?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Now, to get to your thread hijack: Obama, Pelosi and Reid are trying to cut 700 billion from the budget deficit. You won't give credit for 1 billion, certainly you must appreciate and endorse cutting 700 billion. The GOP is blocking that. Are you for that, or against that? You want to cut 700 billion, or not?]

Of course I would support a 700 billion cut but conveniently wording a 700 billion income tax raise as a cut doesn't make it so and some are smart enough to figure that out. The 700 billion-tax raise would then be spent on more cash for clunker like programs before it was received, GUARANTEED! The credit cards must be taken away and cut up immediately!

[Riot]

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Of course I would support a 700 billion cut but conveniently wording a 700 billion income tax raise as a cut doesn't make it so and some are smart enough to figure that out.

Not that smart. When you have a set income level coming in, then you decide you don't need that amount of income any more (lets say 700-billion), yet you do not cut your spending by 700 billion in order to live at your new lower income level - you get in trouble.

Bush gave tax cuts, he cut the country's income, but those cuts were completely unfunded. Oh yeah, and two unfunded wars. That put us in deep, deep debt. We are in trouble.

So yes - the income tax should go back to what it used to be, for the top 2% of wealthiest Americans, affecting only their income over $250K, because it will cut our America's budget deficit by 60%!

BTW - you do realize that both the Bush temporary tax cuts were set to expire at this time purposely, right? Figuring there would be a Democratic President?

The credit cards must be taken away and cut up immediately!

If only that was the rallying cry by the GOP during Bush's unfunded tax cuts and unfunded wars, that greatly put us into this mess.

BTW, I am in favor of a flat rate income tax. I am not in favor of a national sales tax at a flat percentage, because right now that percentage would have to be between 21% and 26% to provide us equal income. I don't want to pay that on food, cars, etc.