The new party of no?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you and Riot would ever actually bother to answer questions instead of promoting my supposed narrowminded political biases.

You might stick to the actual discussion instead of insisting on only debating with your straw man friends.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You might stick to the actual discussion instead of insisting on only debating with your straw man friends.

Your refusal to answer my questions is really quite telling.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your refusal to answer my questions is really quite telling.

I haven't refused. I answered it in my first post on this thread.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

We've answered the question. I'll say it again. The GOP will not come to the center through negotiation. You seem to think a less Liberal Democratic Leader in the House would help the Democrats to negotiate with the GOP. That is a false assumption, because the GOP doesn't negotiate. They are forced (and shamed) into doing things. What the President needs to do (to help his own party) is have votes taken on issues that the majority of voting Americans disagree with the GOP on. That's the only way to get the GOP to "deal." If he does try to negotiate with the GOP, it will be him giving in to them. They will give him zip. So, this "negotiation" should only be done on issues where the Majority of American Voters are against the Democrats. This tax extention stuff is not one of those issues. He needs to make the GOP vote against extending the Middle Class tax break.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

We've answered the question. I'll say it again. The GOP will not come to the center through negotiation. You seem to think a less Liberal Democratic Leader in the House would help the Democrats to negotiate with the GOP. That is a false assumption, because the GOP doesn't negotiate. They are forced (and shamed) into doing things. What the President needs to do (to help his own party) is have votes taken on issues that the majority of voting Americans disagree with the GOP on. That's the only way to get the GOP to "deal." If he does try to negotiate with the GOP, it will be him giving in to them. They will give him zip. So, this "negotiation" should only be done on issues where the Majority of American Voters are against the Democrats. This tax extention stuff is not one of those issues. He needs to make the GOP vote against extending the Middle Class tax break.

So you are of the belief that political gain trumps all?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So you are of the belief that political gain trumps all?

Well, your Senior Senator from Kentucky said job 1 (for him) is to defeat Obama in 2012. So, it not like we don't know where we stand.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, your Senior Senator from Kentucky said job 1 (for him) is to defeat Obama in 2012. So, it not like we don't know where we stand.

Why is it so hard for some to ever actually answer a question directed at them? Like i said before, yes or no would suffice.

If I asked a question on another topic it would seem silly to respond like is done in these threads.

example

Me: Do you think the Yankees should give Jeter what he is asking for considering what he has meant to the team over the last decade

You: Steve Garvey should be in the hall of Fame. You know what that means don't you?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So you are of the belief that political gain trumps all?

No.



However, your Senior Senator has made getting Obama beat in 2012 his main goal. So, we know his goal is to simply obstruct (again.) We have no expectation of compromise. These are ideologues that don't value compromise.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I haven't refused. I answered it in my first post on this thread.

No you dole out some half baked analysis.

Do you or do you not agree that the Democratic party shifting more to the left AND becoming the new party of no with the stated goal of preventing the Democratic President from compromising on issues is a good thing for that party?

Do you believe that the democratic party becoming more attached to its radical leaning side is a positive thing?

Yes or no are acceptable answers

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No you dole out some half baked analysis.

Do you or do you not agree that the Democratic party shifting more to the left AND becoming the new party of no with the stated goal of preventing the Democratic President from compromising on issues is a good thing for that party?

Do you believe that the democratic party becoming more attached to its radical leaning side is a positive thing?

Yes or no are acceptable answers

Where do you get this more from? Same people involved here. WTF? The premise is simply not factual.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Where do you get this more from? Same people involved here. WTF? The premise is simply not factual.

Quote from the original link

Pelosi will lead Democrats "in pulling on the president's shirttails to make sure that he doesn't move from center-right to far-right," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., a co-chair of the liberal Progressive Caucus in the House


Anyone who believes that the President is center-right is seeing the world through very far left colored glasses. The Progressive Caucus is the far left of the party and when they are speaking for you as the minority leader, well you dont have to be a math whiz to add 2 and 2 together.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Quote from the original link

Pelosi will lead Democrats "in pulling on the president's shirttails to make sure that he doesn't move from center-right to far-right," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., a co-chair of the liberal Progressive Caucus in the House


Anyone who believes that the President is center-right is seeing the world through very far left colored glasses. The Progressive Caucus is the far left of the party and when they are speaking for you as the minority leader, well you dont have to be a math whiz to add 2 and 2 together.

She's talking about his position while compromising. 2 weeks ago, he was considering extending the tax break for the rich (a far Right position.). If he extends any of that tax break for them(at all,) guess what? That's Center-Right.

[Riot]

No you dole out some half baked analysis.

My opinion is no less half baked than your own

Do you or do you not agree that the Democratic party shifting more to the left AND becoming the new party of no with the stated goal of preventing the Democratic President from compromising on issues is a good thing for that party?

I answered all that in my post. Seriously, if you can't understand any political discussion more nuanced than yes or no answers, I don't see the point of you jumping into political discussions.

But if you only do yes or no, how about this?

Do you or do you not agree that the Republican party shifting more to the right AND becoming the party of no (and they've actually done it for 2 years - simply filibustered to block even debate on issues)with the stated public goal of preventing the Democratic President from gaining re-election a good thing for that party?

Do you believe that the Republican party becoming more attached to its radical leaning side is a positive thing?

Yes or no are acceptable answers

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

My opinion is no less half baked than your own



I answered all that in my post. Seriously, if you can't understand any political discussion more nuanced than yes or no answers, I don't see the point of you jumping into political discussions.

But if you only do yes or no, how about this?

Do you or do you not agree that the Republican party shifting more to the right AND becoming the party of no (and they've actually done it for 2 years - simply filibustered to block even debate on issues)with the stated public goal of preventing the Democratic President from gaining re-election a good thing for that party?

Do you believe that the Republican party becoming more attached to its radical leaning side is a positive thing?

Yes or no are acceptable answers

No you didnt answer the question. Saying you answered the question when you clearly didnt is another form of avoiding a question.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No you didnt answer the question. Saying you answered the question when you clearly didnt is another form of avoiding a question.

Then I can only assume you don't have the ability to read.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

But if you only do yes or no, how about this?

Do you or do you not agree that the Republican party shifting more to the right AND becoming the party of no (and they've actually done it for 2 years - simply filibustered to block even debate on issues)with the stated public goal of preventing the Democratic President from gaining re-election a good thing for that party?

Do you believe that the Republican party becoming more attached to its radical leaning side is a positive thing?

Yes or no are acceptable answers

You cant ask a 2 part question and ask for a yes or no answer.

I dont agree that the GOP has shifted further right the last 2 years, where they are now is about where they have been.
I dont agree that the stated goal of the last 2 years of GOP political tactics were to prevent the reelection of the President.
I don't believe the GOP is becoming more attached to its radical side.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You cant ask a 2 part question and ask for a yes or no answer.

I dont agree that the GOP has shifted further right the last 2 years, where they are now is about where they have been.
I dont agree that the stated goal of the last 2 years of GOP political tactics were to prevent the reelection of the President.
I don't believe the GOP is becoming more attached to its radical side.

I do believe the GOP is more right than two years ago with the tea party element.

I also think the Dems are shifting more to the left.

There are very few people in the middle anymore.... they place they SHOULD be.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You cant ask a 2 part question and ask for a yes or no answer. .

It's your question