Roger Stein on Beyer on Zenyatta

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by santana

I have NO IDEA how old you are Fartman, but it is 1/5 that Drugs knows way more than you. The only thing i would say against his Classic selection was putting Haynesfield 2nd...just his breeding alone would make him a auto toss for me.

I put Haynesfield 3rd. QR-Blame-Haynesfield was my 1-2-3 in the paper.

Breeding didn't worry me about Haynesfield - he's already proven he could get 10fs.

Dale Romans came out and told the press several days before the BC Classic that he wanted to be "laying about 4th" with First Dude and "about 3 or 4 lengths off of the lead"

When Romans said he was going to instruct his jockey to take First Dude off of the pace ... I expected a slow pace. Anyone who knows anything - knows that Ramon Dominguez and John Velazquez are two guys who are notorious for avoiding duels.

I expected a similar scenerio to the Whitney to unfold. Quality Road to walk on the lead - and Haynesfield to sit about a length back while rating. Instead, not true to Dale Romans word .. First Dude ran off to the lead and baked the speed horses - and setup the closers.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I put Haynesfield 3rd. QR-Blame-Haynesfield was my 1-2-3 in the paper.

Breeding didn't worry me about Haynesfield - he's already proven he could get 10fs.

Dale Romans came out and told the press several days before the BC Classic that he wanted to be "laying about 4th" with First Dude and "about 3 or 4 lengths off of the lead"

When Romans said he was going to instruct his jockey to take First Dude off of the pace ... I expected a slow pace. Anyone who knows anything - knows that Ramon Dominguez and John Velazquez are two guys who are notorious for avoiding duels.

I expected a similar scenerio to the Whitney to unfold. Quality Road to walk on the lead - and Haynesfield to sit about a length back while rating. Instead, not true to Dale Romans word .. First Dude ran off to the lead and baked the speed horses - and setup the closers.

If they would have gone :48 and 1:12, the outcome would have been no different. Maybe Quality Road loses by 20 lengths instead of 25. Maybe First Dude loses by 8 lengths instead of 11 lengths.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If they would have gone :48 and 1:12, the outcome would have been no different. Maybe Quality Road loses by 20 lengths instead of 25. Maybe First Dude loses by 8 lengths instead of 11 lengths.

Are you implying 7/1 shot Quality Road put in a non-effort - gee, no kidding.

By the way - I watched Cowboys Get Even get dusted by double digits at Charles Town last week to a horse that was in for a $12,500 claiming tag...he's yet to win and has burned a lot of money since that brilliant thread you started about him ....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33856

Here's a chart of his most recent race in case you've finally given up and stopped following him.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...01112&raceNo=8

[alysheba4]

uncle.....

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

uncle.....

Winter in Erie is looooooooonnng.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

uncle.....

Opposite of uncle.

This is beyond mind-blowing in its awesomeness.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Are you implying 7/1 shot Quality Road put in a non-effort - gee, no kidding.

By the way - I watched Cowboys Get Even get dusted by double digits at Charles Town last week to a horse that was in for a $12,500 claiming tag...he's yet to win and has burned a lot of money since that brilliant thread you started about him ....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33856

Here's a chart of his most recent race in case you've finally given up and stopped following him.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...01112&raceNo=8

Thanks. There's some good entertainment in that thread.

[The Bid]

Yikes

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Are you implying 7/1 shot Quality Road put in a non-effort - gee, no kidding.

By the way - I watched Cowboys Get Even get dusted by double digits at Charles Town last week to a horse that was in for a $12,500 claiming tag...he's yet to win and has burned a lot of money since that brilliant thread you started about him ....

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33856

Here's a chart of his most recent race in case you've finally given up and stopped following him.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...01112&raceNo=8

Cowboy Gets Even actually did improve 10 Beyer points off the race where I thought he had all the trouble. The race where I thought he had 8 lengths of trouble, he ran a 66 Beyer. In his next two races, he ran a 75 and a 76. So according to the numbers you guys trust so much, the horse actaully did move way up. I expected him to move up 8 lengths. What did he end up moving up, 5 or 6 lengths?

The horse is obviously not right. He was running close 2nds at Laurel in nwx1 races. Now he's losing the same races by 10 lengths.

Despite that, I will take the blame for a bad pick. The bottom line is that I thought the horse would turn out to be a very good horse. He's turned out to be a pathetic horse. Regardless of the reason, I was wrong. Whether it is because the horse is lame or he just didn't have the ability, he didn't turn out to be a good horse. I admit it. I'm not going to be right 100% of the time. Not every maiden winner that I'm impressed with turns out to be a good horse. Most of them do, but not every one.

[blackthroatedwind]

As long as you refuse to even try to learn anything from others.....

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As long as you refuse to even try to learn anything from others.....

Why try when you have such a magical eye? .... and the brilliance of "every trainer on the West Coast and Mike Smith" to guide you.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As long as you refuse to even try to learn anything from others.....

I've learned a lot in this thread from you and DrugS. I thought that Zenyatta looked extremely stiff in the early going of the race. After finding out that she was not warmed up in the post parade, I thought that explained why she looked so uncomfortable in the early going of the race and why she fell so far behind.

But after listening to you guys, I now realize that Zenyatta was travelling perfect in the early stages of the race. The reason she fell so far behind is because she is incapable of comfortably going faster than :38 and change from the gate. Thanks for teaching me that.

Here is one of the best mares of all times that could breeze 3 furlongs in :36 and change from the gate with her eyes closed and you guys (or at least DrugS) think she can't comfortably break :38 and change. Thanks for the info guys.