Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

georgewashington · #1 10-13-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I wasn't aware that he had won the Breeders Cup Classic. I musta slept longer than I thought I did. Is it November 4th already?

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

#2 10-13-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Didn't you say that about Showing Up a few months back about winning the Breeders Cup Turf?
Look, its a horse race. And hes not going to get away with a cushy trip and slow fractions. You act as if he cannot possibly lose this race. Rock of Gibraltar lost a BC race. Things arent so easy on Cup day.

georgewashington · #3 10-13-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Didn't you say that about Showing Up a few months back about winning the Breeders Cup Turf?
Look, its a horse race. And hes not going to get away with a cushy trip and slow fractions. You act as if he cannot possibly lose this race. Rock of Gibraltar lost a BC race. Things arent so easy on Cup day.

Never thought Showing Up would win the Breeders Cup turf. His breeding suggests he couldn't run that far with the ideal trip. Showing Up is a nice horse but the European horses are much better than any horse in America. The group 2 horses could beat the American grade 1's at 12f.

The Rock is not Bernardini. And I loved the Rock. Bernardini has a ton more than we have seen. A ton more. When they cut him open we are going to see a heart similar to Secretariats.

Round Pen · #4 10-13-2006, 01:00 PM

I still find it rather strange that this story broke a couple of days ago that Bernardini would stand stud next year but yet there has been No stories in any of our Major Thoughbred Racing Publications. Why is that????????

SniperSB23 · #5 10-13-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen

I still find it rather strange that this story broke a couple of days ago that Bernardini would stand stud next year but yet there has been No stories in any of our Major Thoughbred Racing Publications. Why is that????????

Because they have to worry about their credibility. We don't. They can't write any stories about it until it has been made official by the connections which won't happen until after the BC. Whether or not it is true the major publications aren't in a position to write about it.

Dunbar · #6 10-13-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

Wow, great observation. Funny how Secretariat lost, though. I'm sure all his wins were inevitable, too.

--Dunbar

georgewashington · #7 10-13-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

Wow, great observation. Funny how Secretariat lost, though. I'm sure all his wins were inevitable, too.

--Dunbar

Secretariat lost when he was not 100%. They don't run them today unless they are 100%. Today they run them 8x a year and the scratch them if there is the slightest chink in their armor.

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too. Is he better, not yet, but maybe.

#8 10-13-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

Secretariat lost when he was not 100%. They don't run them today unless they are 100%. Today they run them 8x a year and the scratch them if there is the slightest chink in their armor.

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too. Is he better, not yet, but maybe.

Secretariat set his record in May of his three year old year. And how do these "experts" that you know figure he can go that fast when he just went 2:01 at a track where the track record is 1:58:1? Belmont's 10 f races are run at a turn and a half as opposed to two turn, which makes it faster by at least a second. So you figure hes got about 14 lengths improvement in him? yeah, ok, sure.

Seattleallstar · #9 10-13-2006, 01:15 PM

If Bernardini is to run all out he will shatter Secretariat's record, its just a damn shame he wont be able to break the record for 12f

#10 10-13-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

If Bernardini is to run all out he will shatter Secretariat's record, its just a damn shame he wont be able to break the record for 12f

LOL!!
You need help, but we already knew that. He hasn't even come close to shattering records. But YOU KNOW that he will. Should we base this on your vast pp's as a great handicapper on messageboards?

Gander · #11 10-13-2006, 01:18 PM

Threads on Sheiks, Bernardini retiring and Polytrack = more mind numbing than watching the NLCS

#12 10-13-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Secretariat set his record in May of his three year old year. And how do these "experts" that you know figure he can go that fast when he just went 2:01 at a track where the track record is 1:58:1? Belmont's 10 f races are run at a turn and a half as opposed to two turn, which makes it faster by at least a second. So you figure hes got about 14 lengths improvement in him? yeah, ok, sure.

When a track is souped-up ... even a nonentity like Monarchos can shade 2:00 for 10f.

If the track is legitimate ... Bernardini won't come close to the record ... if it's a Monarchos track ... anything can happen.

#13 10-13-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

When a track is souped-up ... even a nonentity like Monarchos can shade 2:00 for 10f.

If the track is legitimate ... Bernardini won't come close to the record ... if it's a Monarchos track ... anything can happen.

Sharp post.

georgewashington · #14 10-13-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

When a track is souped-up ... even a nonentity like Monarchos can shade 2:00 for 10f.

If the track is legitimate ... Bernardini won't come close to the record ... if it's a Monarchos track ... anything can happen.

I wonder if the track will be souped-up on Breeder's Cup Day.

#15 10-13-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

I wonder if the track will be souped-up on Breeder's Cup Day.

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

#16 10-13-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

I wonder if the track will be souped-up on Breeder's Cup Day.

Is that more inside info? Thanks man, I would never have guessed that they would scrape a track on a big day down there, thanks a lot.

Cannon Shell · #17 10-13-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

A few people I have spoken to think Bernardini is going to break Secretariat's track record too.

This board is getting better every day! First I had a guy telling me that he could spot "illegally enhanced" horses by looking in thier eyes. Now we have a supposedly informed poster saying that his informed friends are predicting track records!!!

ArlJim78 · #18 11-27-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

GW on Bernardini. I guess he talked to the wrong insiders for this information

Dunbar · #19 11-28-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

GW on Bernardini. I guess he talked to the wrong insiders for this information

Thanks, Jim. I'll bump up GW's thoughtful analysis because I love it when people are SO sure of something:

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Originally Posted by georgewashington

It is inevitable. He is significantly better than any horse running today. Track surface will mean nothing either. He can win in anything. Many in breeding business in KY believe he is the best horse and the best stallion prospect they have ever seen. I tend to agree. As a son of AP Indy, he is peaking right when he was expected to peak. This BC Classic will not be competitive. It will be no more competitive than any of his races, even if George Washington and David Junior take to the dirt.

You guys who dislike the trainer and the owners need to learn that horses don't know who their trainers and owners are. They are animals and the fastest ones win.

No room for any doubt there, I guess.

--Dunbar

ArlJim78 · #20 11-28-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

Thanks, Jim. I'll bump up GW's thoughtful analysis because I love it when people are SO sure of something:

No room for any doubt there, I guess.

--Dunbar

Thanks, that type of analysis is deserving of a bump. The kool-aid was really flowing when he penned that missive.

I just hope he is not scheduled for any more guest lectures on copywrite law.