Classic Sheet Numbers

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Considering the way the race track played during the Breeders Cup - the sheet numbers are going to come back out of whack.

Horses are going to be rewarded for racing wide - and they were better off being in the four path than on the rail.

I think in almost every situation I would rather have my horse in the 4 path with no horse to my outside than on the rail possibly or probably pinned down, or in the 2 path even between horses. Guessing here but 9 times out of 10 I would rather have my horse swinging a bit wide out of trouble than saving ground and in tight quarters. I think the "figs" would be better without the ground lost enhancements? If you are already on the lead, fine, but coming out of the turn and into the stretch give me the horse on the outside. Unless of course you are in the midst of a tremendous bias like your 1 horse at PID

[golfer]

TG figs are up for both days:



http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20101...010bcf_10s.pdf

[philcski]

Blame -2.25
Zenyatta -1.75
Goldikova -2
Uncle Mo 0
Big Drama -1.5
Hamazing Destiny -2.5 (!)
Unrivaled Belle -1.75
Awesome Feather 4
Dubai Majesty -2.5

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Quality Road's 2010 campaign on their numbers:

Negative 7.5

(almost 4 month layoff)

Negative 5.75

(10 week layoff)

Negative 3.25

(Month layoff)

Negative 2

(Month layoff)

12.5 X (an X on sheets stands for racing on a dead rail)


I assume this is called the "Titanic pattern" - and Quality Road would run a 25 next time out. A number which gets you beat at Portland Meadows.

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by philcski

Blame -2.25
Zenyatta -1.75
Goldikova -2Uncle Mo 0
Big Drama -1.5
Hamazing Destiny -2.5 (!)
Unrivaled Belle -1.75
Awesome Feather 4
Dubai Majesty -2.5

Maybe I am wrong here but that -2 seems a little fast considering its a new top for her by 3 points. But what the heck shes a great mare.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Maybe I am wrong here but that -2 seems a little fast considering its a new top for her by 3 points. But what the heck shes a great mare.

Pretty funny... Read a post on the TG board not three minutes ago asking if the Mile doesn't seem inordinately fast.

(On a seperate note regarding the figs, I sent your man a text last night with Delightful Mary's number (4.5). She ran a terrific race at 11-1, and as much as I was convinced of Awesome Feather's quality, was very pleased to have backed the Casse charge by putting her on top in my Selections. Big future ahead for her..)

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Pretty funny... Read a post on the TG board not three minutes ago asking if the Mile doesn't seem inordinately fast.

(On a seperate note regarding the figs, I sent your man a text last night with Delightful Mary's number (4.5). She ran a terrific race at 11-1, and as much as I was convinced of Awesome Feather's quality, was very pleased to have backed the Casse charge by putting her on top in my Selections. Big future ahead for her..)

Mark was telling me that this AM that you sent him the number, I was very proud of her effort and I also think she has a big future ahead of her, everything about her says shes going to improve from 2 to 3. Shes actually down on he farm with me right now enjoying the Sunshine and she looks like she came out of the race in fine order.

[Smooth Operator]

Rag numbers are out … virtually identical for B and Z.

Not bad for an old mare taking on males in their prime, eh



By the way, they haven't made QR's fig yet as he only just reached the eighth pole a few minutes ago… LOL

[Dahoss]

lol

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Rag numbers are out … virtually identical for B and Z.

Not bad for an old mare taking on males in their prime, eh



By the way, they haven't made QR's fig yet as he only just reached the eighth pole a few minutes ago… LOL

Z wasn't in her prime? If not, when was her prime?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

By the way, they haven't made QR's fig yet as he only just reached the eighth pole a few minutes ago… LOL

The once invincible Beyer darling, 128 @ GP, is now the king of the NO MAS.

Refuses last year and fails to beat the outriders around this year. At least he got in the gate, however. I see BIG NUMBERS @ GP this winter for him. He'll be back and he can DEFINITELY get 10F.

ha ha ha

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Maybe I am wrong here but that -2 seems a little fast considering its a new top for her by 3 points. But what the heck shes a great mare.

Interesting observation, I didn't catch that... no question it was a huge race, but a new top by 3 points is monster. However, I just went through the rest of the numbers for the two mile turf races and it fits really well- and if they are correct about her being 5W4W (I'm assuming they are) then she could have been even faster. Pluck got a 7.75 while 2W2W, so a 9.75 raw, and Goldi was 7.25 points faster on time- so 2.5 raw and -4.5 final (but that would give everybody else in the Mile a top as well, instead they all were close to their normal range which makes sense since it was a very formful race.)

Sometimes I think the European TG's are a little worse than they should be- I think that's because there is no adjustment for ground loss and time means little.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by philcski

Sometimes I think the European TG's are a little worse than they should be- I think that's because there is no adjustment for ground loss and time means little.

Is there an adjustment for # of rabbits?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by philcski

Interesting observation, I didn't catch that... no question it was a huge race, but a new top by 3 points is monster. However, I just went through the rest of the numbers for the two mile turf races and it fits really well- and if they are correct about her being 5W4W (I'm assuming they are) then she could have been even faster. Pluck got a 7.75 while 2W2W, so a 9.75 raw, and Goldi was 7.25 points faster on time- so 2.5 raw and -4.5 final (but that would give everybody else in the Mile a top as well, instead they all were close to their normal range which makes sense since it was a very formful race.)

Sometimes I think the European TG's are a little worse than they should be- I think that's because there is no adjustment for ground loss and time means little.

Like all Turf TG's they are as useless as tits on a nun.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Maybe I am wrong here but that -2 seems a little fast considering its a new top for her by 3 points. But what the heck shes a great mare.

I thought it was her best so I'm not surprised. I swear I don't know if I've ever seen an explosion like she let loose with at the top of the lane.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I think in almost every situation I would rather have my horse in the 4 path with no horse to my outside than on the rail possibly or probably pinned down, or in the 2 path even between horses. Guessing here but 9 times out of 10 I would rather have my horse swinging a bit wide out of trouble than saving ground and in tight quarters. I think the "figs" would be better without the ground lost enhancements? If you are already on the lead, fine, but coming out of the turn and into the stretch give me the horse on the outside. Unless of course you are in the midst of a tremendous bias like your 1 horse at PID

I think most would agree, but the intent of Thorograph numbers is to measure the performance, so horses that ran more ground in the same time arguably performed better. That doesn't mean they'll get a better trip next time, which has to be factored when considering late runners and outside draws for future events.