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11-08-2010, 10:46 AM
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I don't understand all why all the hate against Calvin all of a sudden. Not only did the incident cost him a chance of winning the race, but him and his mount could have been seriously hurt (or worst) if Garcia and his horse went down. I don't know how he stayed up (the horse or Garcia for that matter), but there was a pretty good chance that Borel, his horse and maybe a couple other would have been wiped out by Garcia and his mount. So Borel had a pretty good reason to be pissed. Was it a bit over the top?, possibly. Should have he waited an taken issue in the jocks room?, probably. But no one has the right to deny the fact that he had a pretty good damn reason for being upset and wanting a piece of Javy's ass.
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Felix Unger talking to Oscar Madison: "Your horse could finish third by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you have been losing money for all these years?!" 
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11-08-2010, 10:55 AM
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But, my stats on his races both BC days speaks volumes for how much of a decline this guy is in. He can't even handle Churchill anymore, and he doesn't seem to be cutting it anywhere else either. Oh, yeah, just sayin'...
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11-08-2010, 11:03 AM
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We aren't talking about bruises and cuts here, we are talking about life and death.
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Felix Unger talking to Oscar Madison: "Your horse could finish third by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you have been losing money for all these years?!"
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11-08-2010, 11:11 AM
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And, the emphasis is more on Calvin's decline in riding ability than it is for his penchant to go for something "unprecedented". Maybe he's working on a new career when racing is no longer providing enough moolah. In my opinion, the only black eye he landed in that fight was on the sport of horse racing.
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11-08-2010, 11:20 AM
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much of this thread provides the basis for 90/10.
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11-08-2010, 11:21 AM
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As far as black eyes for the sport, I really believe the whole Life at Ten fiasco wins in that category in a runaway.
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11-08-2010, 11:37 AM
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I agree - a bigger black eye.
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11-08-2010, 11:49 AM
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Bottom line is javier was reckless, no one said he was hateful and that is why he was DQ'd. Jaime Theriot is not known to be hateful, yet his actions had terrible repercussions for rene douglas. He hasnt asked for the notoriety he has garnered the past few years. While he may not be the most talented jock, he has the respect of the horseman...whether it's 15k claimers or stakes horses, he gives an honest effort, which says a lot more than some jocks. as for you stats on BC days indicating his decline, there were several high profile jocks who didnt sniff a win at BC like ramon dominguez, martin garcia, javi castellano, jose lezcano, bejarano, alan garcia, and JULIEN LEPAROUX (the other king of kentucky) on much liver horses. based off your "stats" analogy, I guess guys like bejarano, castellano, leparoux, and dominguez are in decline also! also, CB has most recently won CD's fall 2009 and spring 2010 meet. So "he cant even handle churchill" is a bit premature, dont you think? Let's wait a while before we conclude that he is declining.
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11-08-2010, 12:02 PM
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Someone made the comment that CB sticks up for his peers - or words to that effect. I countered that CB being enraged about his horse being impeded. He wasn't going to bat for anyone but himself. And, while Castellano's action was careless, no horse went down and no one got hurt. Calvin may have won the race - maybe not. As to the other jockeys who didn't fare well, that doesn't factor into the debate. Calvin is supposed to Mr. Churchill. He had 8 shots at it both days and couldn't nail a win. Isn't he expected to do better at CD than other jockeys? He went in Friday with 7 0-0-0. But, you're right - let's wait and see how he handles the CD meet. Maybe he can keep his title of "one track jockey". And, the altercation he provoked has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion of him declining in ability. Two separate issues.
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11-08-2010, 12:17 PM
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i was merely adding clarity and substance to your argument about BC weekend and the supposed decline. Friday...Ack Ack--2nd bc mar...3rd Who says he is Mr. Churchill? The media and fans do. All i am saying is he hasnt asked for that. who cares if he is a "one track jockey," most jocks are no track jocks. the great ones separate themselves in this area. He had very little support at Toga and had a bad meet which byk pointed out several times on ATR which i suspect fuels part of your argument. Personally, i do not think he is a great jock, but i do respect him and the honesty he brings to his owners. who knows, there may be some truth to his decline, but i dont think anyone really cares about the midget wrestling incident except pansies and espn types.
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11-08-2010, 02:43 PM
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Please don't put words in my mouth. What happened was "serious", but it wasn't catastrophic. The stewards are there for a reason as someone else pointed out. Jockeys know that and I'm pretty sure they agree to abide by that and not take frontier justice in their own hands. And, Please don't assume to "add clarity and substance" to my argument. You're perfectly free to do it to your own. You disagree with me and I with you - pure and simple. I already posted CB's race record for the two days. It's in one of my earlier posts. I'm sure CB hasn't demanded any accolades, but he sure lives off the ones he's been given or else he wouldn't have displayed the level of arrogance he had on Friday. 4 - 64 this year and an even worse record last year. His one claim to fame at Saratoga 2009 was his win on Rachel. I'm no pansy, but I sure can recognize bad behavior. CB showed absolutely no concern for the owners and the horses he was to ride in later races - even later in the jocks' room when supposedly he went at it again with Javier. I know if I was an owner of one of the horses he was going to ride later on, I'd sure want him off that horse. You don't think his actions may have factored into Tell A Kelly running a crap race? I don't wish ill on Calvin. I can only go by what he's been doing lately, and there definitely is a pattern of decline. Maybe he can pick his game back up, but he's no spring chicken and the younger guys are getting the hype.
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