Zenyatta

[nebrady]

Are you kidding me. So you blackthroat wind and stupid you are the people who are the intelligent ones? The rest of us are trolls and not intelligent enough for your vast expert opinion? Comon man this is absolutley ridiculous! You think you know it all, but you still don't get it. Zenyatta has to be considered one of the greatest ever. She beat gio ponti in the classic last year. The only horse he has lose to are super fillies goldikova and zenyatta. With a little racing luck he would have won the arlington million twice! She beat a great horse called ginger punch on the dirt and barely lost to blame having a horrible start and being checked and going 6 wide and you people still bash her! Plus your telling me shes not good for the sport? Did you hear and see all the people cheering for her? If that isn't good for the sport what is?

[CSC]

I'd like to attempt to put some semblance of closure to this, with Zenyatta's 2nd to Blame in the BC Classic as probably being the only gauge on how she fares against the best dirt horses in the world, she should go down as one of the greatest in the game, losing to Blame is slightly better than losing to Alphabet Soup in most opinions, so if Cigar is to be considered as one of the greats then certainly she fits the critaria also. Greatest of all time, no she hasn't done enough to rank with Secretariat whom I regard as the gold standard of all standards. No one touches him and I doubt we will see another like him. But in terms of being able to run on both surfaces, she has proven she is efficient on both. Not many can, consider that.

Wish we could have saw more, but you punish the connections for this, not the horse.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

I'd like to attempt to put some semblance of closure to this, with Zenyatta's 2nd to Blame in the BC Classic as probably being the only gauge on how she fares against the best dirt horses in the world, she should go down as one of the greatest in the game, losing to Blame is slightly better than losing to Alphabet Soup in most opinions, so if Cigar is to be considered as one of the greats then certainly she fits the critaria also. Greatest of all time, no she hasn't done enough to rank with Secretariat whom I regard as the gold standard of all standards. No one touches him and I doubt we will see another like him. But in terms of being able to run on both surfaces, she has proven she is efficient on both. Not many can, consider that.

Wish we could have saw more, but you punish the connections for this, not the horse.

I can't believe no one has gone near this idiocy. I don't even really know if Cigar is considered an all time great, but the quality of horses he beat consistently, all across the country and world is head and shoulders better than what Zenyatta has. He had clearly lost a step by the '96 Classic and was hung out wide for a long time. He ran pretty big all things considered.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I can't believe no one has gone near this idiocy. I don't even really know if Cigar is considered an all time great, but the quality of horses he beat consistently, all across the country and world is head and shoulders better than what Zenyatta has. He had clearly lost a step by the '96 Classic and was hung out wide for a long time. He ran pretty big all things considered.

When your favorite horse runs in 2-3 meaningful races her entire career, you really have to make stretches to compare her to the greats. Clearly if Cigar one time lost to a ho-hum Classic winner, that makes him equal to Zenyatta. Nevermind what the two of them did through the rest of their careers.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

When your favorite horse runs in 2-3 meaningful races her entire career, you really have to make stretches to compare her to the greats.

ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

Why do you follow the sport then, what does that say about the time you are wasting if you think like that?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

You know how ridiculous this is. I'm not sure why you continue to bring it up.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You know how ridiculous this is. I'm not sure why you continue to bring it up.

I told you if I owned the horse our schedule would have been the SA Handicap, Dubai WC, HGC, Pacific Classic, JCGC and the BC Classic.

But saying she did not run in many meaningful races is just ludicris because the competition did not show up. I can make the same argument for half of Cigars races then.

Same thing happened with Azeri, so she only ran in 1-2 meaningful races...I just can't by that.

[slotdirt]

Days like today leave me really missing poor, old Nashoba's Key.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

Why do you follow the sport then, what does that say about the time you are wasting if you think like that?

what horse did that this year? they should be in the running for hoy. it's far more than what blame or zenyatta have done this year.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I can't believe no one has gone near this idiocy. I don't even really know if Cigar is considered an all time great, but the quality of horses he beat consistently, all across the country and world is head and shoulders better than what Zenyatta has. He had clearly lost a step by the '96 Classic and was hung out wide for a long time. He ran pretty big all things considered.

I was thinking about it, but I didn't know where to begin.

[Ogygian]

As we all sit back and wonder why horse racing is the crapper, I will only say this...read the majority of these posts...negative, negative, negative. Someone says some thing positive and others bash them for it...damn near every blog is negative. Every horse sucks, is too slow or overated, every jock sucks, every announcer sucks...every race for the last 20 years the fields are "horrid', every horse that does win, either their beyer sucked or they beat a "horrid" field. And we have the nerve to ask "what is wrong with horse racing"? It's pathetic...
Just sit back and enjoy the animals and jockeys that put their lives on the line for us everyday...
Shes too slow, she raced no one, her jockey is a ******, the field sucked...damn just enjoy the moment people!!!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Ogygian

As we all sit back and wonder why horse racing is the crapper, I will only say this...read the majority of these posts...negative, negative, negative. Someone says some thing positive and others bash them for it...damn near every blog is negative. Every horse sucks, is too slow or overated, every jock sucks, every announcer sucks...every race for the last 20 years the fields are "horrid', every horse that does win, either their beyer sucked or they beat a "horrid" field. And we have the nerve to ask "what is wrong with horse racing"? It's pathetic...
Just sit back and enjoy the animals and jockeys that put their lives on the line for us everyday...
Shes too slow, she raced no one, her jockey is a ******, the field sucked...damn just enjoy the moment people!!!!

You're right, horse racing is in trouble because people on message boards can be critical at times. You nailed it. NTRA should be calling you soon.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right, horse racing is in trouble because people on message boards can be critical at times. You nailed it. NTRA should be calling you soon.

You have a wise comment for everyone don't you?

[Ogygian]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right, horse racing is in trouble because people on message boards can be critical at times. You nailed it. NTRA should be calling you soon.

Are you kidding me..."people on message boards can be critical at times"...95% of everything on here is people being critical...it is this "great" sport and all everyone does is complain about everything...and if they don't complain, they have to make a immature smart ass comment...

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Are you kidding me. So you blackthroat wind and stupid you are the people who are the intelligent ones? The rest of us are trolls and not intelligent enough for your vast expert opinion? Comon man this is absolutley ridiculous! You think you know it all, but you still don't get it. Zenyatta has to be considered one of the greatest ever. She beat gio ponti in the classic last year. The only horse he has lose to are super fillies goldikova and zenyatta. With a little racing luck he would have won the arlington million twice! She beat a great horse called ginger punch on the dirt and barely lost to blame having a horrible start and being checked and going 6 wide and you people still bash her! Plus your telling me shes not good for the sport? Did you hear and see all the people cheering for her? If that isn't good for the sport what is?

These gems plus your overall inability to put a sentence together aren't really helping to loft you into that 10%.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

These gems plus your overall inability to put a sentence together aren't really helping to loft you into that 10%.

Wait, you were too kind, you didn't include the part about how Gio Ponti has only lost to super fillies like Zenyatta and Goldikova.

What does that say about Interpatation

[hockey2315]

She's simply not one of the greatest horses of all time. I don't know why everyone feels the need to make her one. She's an excellent mare with an excellent record, and probably one of the best mares of all time going long on dirt and fake stuff. But, I can think of at least three other horses since 2005 that would have beaten her comfortably Saturday. . . and a few more on turf that blow her out of the water as far as pure ability.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

She's simply not one of the greatest horses of all time. I don't know why everyone feels the need to make her one. She's an excellent mare with an excellent record, and probably one of the best mares of all time going long on dirt and fake stuff. But, I can think of at least three other horses since 2005 that would have beaten her comfortably Saturday.

Please name the 3 that would beat her comfortably going 10f on dirt. Thanks.

[slotdirt]

If you take the Bloodhorse top 100 list of U.S. horses for the 1900's and extrapolate it to include the years 2000-2010, where does Zenyatta rank on that list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-H...e_20th_Century

What other American horses from 2000 on would merit consideration? Ghostzapper? Rachel Alexandra? Tiznow?

Anyway, Swaps is 20th on that list. Could you place Zenyatta above Swaps? How about Phar Lap at 22nd? John Henry at 23rd? Ruffian at 35th? Busher at 40th? Personal Ensign at 48th? Twilight Tear at 59th? All Along at 68th?

WHere would she belong?

[satan's twin]

As someone who's first job was to rake horsesh*t out of stalls at Arlington when I was a 14 year old kid, I would have thought I would have moved on to better and more profitable vices by now. It didn't happen and I'm so thankful for it.

Along the way, while chasing the horses, I have met my best friends, taken some memorable road trips and have stored up a closet full of memories and laughs. I have gotten to see Secretariat run on a couple of occasions, watched Ruffian run the last strides of her life and have seen most all of the other champions since run once or twice. And on Saturday while in the grandstands I saw Zenyatta come down the stretch at Churchill Downs.

Is Zenyatta the greatest mare of all time? Doubtful.
Is she the Horse of the Year? Don't know and don't care.

But on Saturday for the second year in a row I saw her in person on racing's biggest stage in front of the game's largest audience run down the lane and stand the hair on the back of everyone's neck on end.

How do you measure greatest in a race horse? Don't know.
But I KNOW I saw it Saturday.