Zenyatta

[The Bid]

She had already beaten the boys on the grandest stage. She had nothing left to prove. They brought her back for the betterment of the game, for her rabid fan base, for their egos, and because they really understand how rare it is to see a horse of this magnitude campaigned into their 6 year old season. Something many of you do not understand. An all time great

Her wonderfully planned campaign culminated in the most electric breeders cup ever seen. I would think any common racing fan could understand that

We are very lucky Mr and Mrs Moss were the owners. I cannot think of any other owner who would have continued on with her after they win the first Classic. Sheriffs, what a marvelous job hes done throughout her life. Instead of knocking these people you guys should commend the effort of a champion, and thank the people who let the world share in such a special animal.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Bid

She had already beaten the boys on the grandest stage. She had nothing left to prove. They brought her back for the betterment of the game, for her rabid fan base, for their egos, and because they really understand how rare it is to see a horse of this magnitude campaigned into their 6 year old season. Something many of you do not understand. An all time great

Her wonderfully planned campaign culminated in the most electric breeders cup ever seen. I would think any common racing fan could understand that

We are very lucky Mr and Mrs Moss were the owners. I cannot think of any other owner who would have continued on with her after they win the first Classic. Sheriffs, what a marvelous job hes done throughout her life. Instead of knocking these people you guys should commend the effort of a champion, and thank the people who let the world share in such a special animal.

Wow, congratulations.

In one post, you've both posted the single dumbest post in DT history and are now also the most idiotic poster in DT history.

Well done.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

She had already beaten the boys on the grandest stage. She had nothing left to prove. They brought her back for the betterment of the game, for her rabid fan base, for their egos, and because they really understand how rare it is to see a horse of this magnitude campaigned into their 6 year old season. Something many of you do not understand. An all time great

Her wonderfully planned campaigned culminated in the most electric breeders cup ever seen. I would think any common racing fan could understand that

She never beat a good field on the dirt. Her wonderfully planned campaign is going to result in her losing the horse of the year despite the entire industry bending over backwards and ignoring the ridiclously poor fillys she has been beating.

The only thing that was most electric about this BC was the need for electric heaters.

It was an exciting race though I would not say it was as good as Wild Again's Classic or Alysheba/Ferdinand or Sunday Silence/Easy Goer

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She never beat a good field on the dirt. Her wonderfully planned campaign is going to result in her losing the horse of the year despite the entire industry bending over backwards and ignoring the ridiclously poor fillys she has been beating.

The only thing that was most electric about this BC was the need for electric heaters.

It was an exciting race though I would not say it was as good as Wild Again's Classic or Alysheba/Ferdinand or Sunday Silence/Easy Goer

I thought he was talking about Goldikova.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I thought he was talking about Goldikova.

He may think she isn't that good because she competes on an inferior surface

[The Bid]

I think it was pretty obvious she was best in there Cannon. As somebody that spends day after day watching horses, do you dispute she was the best horse in there? That CHD had an electricity around it that cannot be found on Derby day? That she brought a dying game a glimmer of light.

For me it was the Greatest Breeders cup. It was a culmination of a great career, and for any fan it should have been a pleasure to have been there to see it. To see her actually make it back to this race was epic. She put on a show for all the people who are so happy she lost. For all the contrarians who don't understand greatness. Ran her heart out, towed a 126lb potato sack around, and made all of our hearts skip a beat.

[The Bid]

Ann I have watched more racing on a long holiday weekend than you have in your life. I don't nose around in pedigrees of days past. If you are foolish enough to not recognize this mare for what she is, thats your loss.

My idea of a great campaign is pointing to a race, getting there, and still having your unblemished record intact. After winning the Breeders cup against the boys last year, you were lucky to see her back at all. Whether she raced once, twice, whats the difference. SHe showed up where they said, she ran how she was supposed to run, like a champ.

Ann they havent been handicapping races like that since trains brought horses to the track and rockingham had a dining room.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Ann I have watched more racing on a long holiday weekend than you have in your life. I don't nose around in pedigrees of days past. If you are foolish enough to not recognize this mare for what she is, thats your loss.

My idea of a great campaign is pointing to a race, getting there, and still having your unblemished record intact. After winning the Breeders cup against the boys last year, you were lucky to see her back at all. Whether she raced once, twice, whats the difference. SHe showed up where they said, she ran how she was supposed to run, like a champ.

Ann they havent been handicapping races like that since trains brought horses to the track and rockingham had a dining room.

So in other words, you really don't have a good answer to her post, eh?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I think it was pretty obvious she was best in there Cannon. As somebody that spends day after day watching horses, do you dispute she was the best horse in there? That CHD had an electricity around it that cannot be found on Derby day? That she brought a dying game a glimmer of light.

For me it was the Greatest Breeders cup. It was a culmination of a great career, and for any fan it should have been a pleasure to have been there to see it. To see her actually make it back to this race was epic. She put on a show for all the people who are so happy she lost. For all the contrarians who don't understand greatness. Ran her heart out, towed a 126lb potato sack around, and made all of our hearts skip a beat.

It isn't about opinion. It is about wins. That is what we have been told for a year and a half by the Zenyatta fans/connections. She didn't win so i don't want to hear the excuses. Your opinion or my opinion about who is better is moot. It is about who had the better year and was more accomplished. Clearly Blame was. Was the story of Blame and its connections as good a story as Zenyatta? No, but why does that matter when voting for awards? This isn't pro wrestling.

Good thing you weren't around for John Henry. Don't confuse a nice story and some good publicity for greatness. You also shouldn't confuse people with a better sense of history and understanding of true great horses with contrarians. For you it might have been a great experience, it was a really good race. But because you weren't around when racing wasn't so watered down doesn't mean that you can make statements like you have and not be challenged.

If you had said the same things about Goldikova, I would have probably agreed. It is quite telling when people can't tell the difference between the two fillies and why one has universal respect and one doesn't.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by The Bid

She had already beaten the boys on the grandest stage. She had nothing left to prove. They brought her back for the betterment of the game, for her rabid fan base, for their egos, and because they really understand how rare it is to see a horse of this magnitude campaigned into their 6 year old season. Something many of you do not understand. An all time great

Her wonderfully planned campaign culminated in the most electric breeders cup ever seen. I would think any common racing fan could understand that

We are very lucky Mr and Mrs Moss were the owners. I cannot think of any other owner who would have continued on with her after they win the first Classic. Sheriffs, what a marvelous job hes done throughout her life. Instead of knocking these people you guys should commend the effort of a champion, and thank the people who let the world share in such a special animal.

Couldn't agree more. Many around me had Blame as their bets but with Zenyatta closing they too jumped on the Zen Love Bus ( me included) and tried cheering her home. Something I have never seen before and may never again.

BTW Some of the ladies dressed up in crazy Zenyatta fan wear could have stayed home as I never saw one in a betting line. Just taking up space. At least they weren't drinkers as a rule.

[Pedigree Ann]

'Bid, how long have you been watching racing? This was 'a wonderful campaign'! My God, it reminded me of the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals. You have to make it close for the fans, but you always knew who was going to win. And she didn't even carry a decent weight all year against the overmatched fields she faced.

I remember when Ta Wee carried 142 lbs to win the 1970 Interborough H, conceding 29 lbs to the second horse and 30 lbs to the third horse; she was a sprinter for the ages. So Zenyatta won the Vanity under 129 the last 2 year. Cascapedia won the Vanity under 129, and she had to give weight to major runners Bastonera and Swingtime. Silver Spoon, who won the Santa Anita Derby at 3, won both the Vanity and Santa Margarita under 130 lbs. Gallant Bloom, an undefeated 8-for-8 champion at 3, won the Santa Margarita under 129. Then these mares were asked to carry even MORE weight in subsequent races and they lost. Zenyatta's folks put in her level weight races instead, more Harlem Globetrotter stuff.

Of course, the racing secretaries deserve some brickbats here, for failing to weight this horse as she had proved she deserved. If they had, she would have had to race against males to get weight relief. You do realize that Blame was carrying 3 MORE lbs than Zenyatta, right?