Jockey's pay, interesting info - Page 2

Cajungator26 · #21 10-12-2006, 11:28 AM

I personally thought that while Easy Goer was the more talented of the two, Sunday Silence was much the fighter... I don't believe we ever saw a 100% Easy Goer, although that's just my opinion...

Well let me edit that...

I think that Easy Goer fooled around... could have beaten SS, but the maturity wasn't there.

#22 10-12-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

One huge difference between the two was 'Silence's capability on the turns. 'Goer was a long-striding horse who was perfect for Belmont Park. That was one principal reason that he won the Belmont Stakes. (Also, I saw an interview with Whittingham a few years later in which he said that his horse's hooves were sore before the Belmont.)

I imagine lots of things were sore with Harthill not being able to go near him at Belmont.
Don't you find it a bit odd that the margins were a nose, neck and length when SS won, and when Goer won it was by the length of a football field?
Its just coiincidence that Harthill couldn't get near him at belmont right?

The Bid · #23 10-12-2006, 11:49 AM

Harthill won more derbys than any jockey ever has. He would have told you that himself. I will admit I was and still am a huge Sunday Silence fan. What a great sire hes been.

#24 10-12-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Pat Day talked the talk and walked the walk. Not gonna name names, but I know Bid will know this story being a KY guy(Bid its Steves site so please don't even give a clue as to who this is). Pat's agent told me this story, so I know its legit.
Pat Day is as good a human being as anyone I ever met. If I ever could bring myself to live life one-tenth as good as Pat has I'd be proud.
After a breeders cup win for certain barn, Pat sent his agent over to the barn with a HUGE check to be given to the help. HUGE. gave it to the trainer and his wife. Word got back to pat that the help never got the check. Nice huh? So pat sent Doc over with another one to give directly. Now thats class. And anyone who has ever met Pat won't doubt this for a second.

Be careful here Oracle...Pat wasnt always such a great man. His life is pretty interesting pre-religion. But he has turned out to be a wonder human being and I am fortunate enough to have him as part of my life.

Honu · #25 10-12-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

I asked someone who I knew would not BS me (wife of a jockey) how much he gets paid. It works this way - If he wins he gets 10% of 60% of the purse. This is what blew me away, at Beulah second on back - $45. For every Jockey. What kind of expenses do Jockeys have besides the obvious, meaning rent etc.. What kind of expenses in relation to their job?

25 % to the agent and 10 % to the valet, 35 % right off the top . Then dont forget about uncle sams cut at the end of the quarter.
So lets see you 45 for the ride ,so the agent gets 18 and the valet gets 4.50 and that leaves you with 22.50 hmm dont sound like to much to me.

2MinsToPost · #26 10-12-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

25 % to the agent and 10 % to the valet, 35 % right off the top . Then dont forget about uncle sams cut at the end of the quarter.
So lets see you 45 for the ride ,so the agent gets 18 and the valet gets 4.50 and that leaves you with 22.50 hmm dont sound like to much to me.

Hey thanks Honu

timmgirvan · #27 10-12-2006, 03:02 PM

My Lord...these people are paid Nothing!! I'm truly aghast. Maybe on the major tracks they're paid better,huh??

Downthestretch55 · #28 10-12-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

My Lord...these people are paid Nothing!! I'm truly aghast. Maybe on the major tracks they're paid better,huh??

Timm,
For the few that make it to the big tracks there are many that go out each day and risk their lives, injuries...for "peanuts".
It's a tough game.
"Ring of dreams".

2MinsToPost · #29 10-12-2006, 03:07 PM

No wonder some of those Jockeys at Beulah share a "stall / apartment" with hired help.

Rupert Pupkin · #30 10-12-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

25 % to the agent and 10 % to the valet, 35 % right off the top . Then dont forget about uncle sams cut at the end of the quarter.
So lets see you 45 for the ride ,so the agent gets 18 and the valet gets 4.50 and that leaves you with 22.50 hmm dont sound like to much to me.

The agent would get $11.25, not $18. $11.25 is 25% of $45.

timmgirvan · #31 10-12-2006, 03:18 PM

Wow-they could hit Jack in the Box..instead of McDonald's now!

Honu · #32 10-12-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The agent would get $11.25, not $18. $11.25 is 25% of $45.

I guess thats why Im not an accountant. Thanks Rupert sure makes me feel alot better about those 33 dollar jock mounts I rode for , damn I was cheatin myself the whole time and didnt know it

timmgirvan · #33 10-12-2006, 04:01 PM

Time for some Back Pay,Honu??

#34 10-12-2006, 04:14 PM

Beulah park jocks are starving. The only way they make a living is by betting.

#35 10-12-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

small margins with qustionable rides.
They both got clear trips on no medication one time, and Easy Goer drilled him and humiliated him.
And of course we all know about the famous attending vet Harthill(now passed away) and his famous methods Seattle, but you are too young and dumb to understand what journalists tried to say between the lines about him and SS when Goer couldnt even run on lasix.
Tell you what I do KNOW!!! When SS shipped to belmont they told ole Charlie that there was gonna be round the clock surveillance on his horse, "to make sure he was safe and noone got to him". LOL!!! Ole charlie sure was full of bravado after the Derby and before the Preakness, but was awfully bitter and on edge the weekend of the Belmont.
The real deal was that Easy Goers connections knew and felt that ole Doc Harthill was the problem. And no way, no how was he getting near him before the Belmont.
We know the rest, Easy Goer disposed of SS like tissue paper under a snug hold and just cruised home. Funny what happens when horses are put under surveillance huh.

No horse could run on Lasix in NY in those years. I seem to remember that Easy Goer didn't run on it during the TC races but Sunday did (except the Belmont). Hmmmm.....
Do you know what Easy Goer died from? Autopsy showed tumors on every organ in his body. Mr. Shug is a DMSO jugging guy. The tumors were blamed on that. Do you know what DMSO jugging is for?? Mr. Shug is no saint.

#36 10-12-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Be careful here Oracle...Pat wasnt always such a great man. His life is pretty interesting pre-religion. But he has turned out to be a wonder human being and I am fortunate enough to have him as part of my life.

I think everyone is well aware of what he was in the 70's and very early 80's. I see no need to even comment on it. What hes done since then has surely made up for every sin he ever committed, and then some.

blackthroatedwind · #37 10-12-2006, 05:10 PM

Would fighting to keep the weight scale down so that jockies are forced to starve themselves and purge be considered one of the great Pat Day's wonderful contributions to racing?

#38 10-12-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Would fighting to keep the weight scale down so that jockies are forced to starve themselves and purge be considered one of the great Pat Day's wonderful contributions to racing?

I'm sorry but noone makes people choose that line of work. A lotta guys I know would have liked to have been football players but weren't 6' 3'' 300 pounds. Its basically know when you wanna be a jockey that you have to be light. I'd like to see the scale raised a bit, yes. But its not like Pat Day started the scale of weigths that has existed for decades.

blackthroatedwind · #39 10-12-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I'm sorry but noone makes people choose that line of work. A lotta guys I know would have liked to have been football players but weren't 6' 3'' 300 pounds. Its basically know when you wanna be a jockey that you have to be light. I'd like to see the scale raised a bit, yes. But its not like Pat Day started the scale of weigths that has existed for decades.

You're right but one would think a god-fearing and supposedly passionate man like Pat Day, one who has certainly seen the suffering the weight scale has caused his bretheren, would have been more benevolent. Just seems a little hypocritical to me.

Then again his self-righteousness always turned me off as much as his riding did. Was he EVER on the rail at Keeneland?

#40 10-12-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're right but one would think a god-fearing and supposedly passionate man like Pat Day, one who has certainly seen the suffering the weight scale has caused his bretheren, would have been more benevolent. Just seems a little hypocritical to me.

Then again his self-righteousness always turned me off as much as his riding did. Was he EVER on the rail at Keeneland?

I know he was on the rail with Summer Squall in the Preakness when he turned the tables on Unbridled. That was a fantastic ground saving ride.