Nice editorial

Riot · #1 10-20-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Did I miss it and California had some kind of deep freeze where it's been under 30 degrees within the last 4 years? Otherwise, rain doesn't count in my book as extreme.

You missed or forgot about all that about the humidity, temperature changes (heat, large degree to temp variation), etc. compared to previous installations of the product (ProRide) in the east? Why they changed the composition to try and get it right? Okay.

MaTH716 · #2 10-20-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

You missed or forgot about all that about the humidity, temperature changes (heat), etc. compared to previous installations of the product (ProRide) in the east? Why they changed the composition to try and get it right? Okay.

I think you answered your own question. These surfaces were basically jammed down everyone's throat, without any kind of credible basis. Then they have trouble with the surfaces (at some tracks) because of rain (and according to you they also had to be tweaked due to heat and humidity). It's been said here a million times, you would think that "all weather track", would mean that the track could handle all weather. And you still don't understand why many in the community haven't embraced synthetic surfaces?
Not to mention the affect that it has on handicapping. While some people like it, it seems like the majority of people would rather just have a conventional dirt track.

I'm sorry, but I don't consider humidity and tempature changes above 50 degrees as extreme. I personally feel like these tracks are good idea in areas that expierence extreme cold conditions, but in California where it seems to be fast and firm most of the time I just don't see any need or reason for them.

Riot · #3 10-20-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry, but I don't consider humidity and tempature changes above 50 degrees as extreme. I personally feel like these tracks are good idea in areas that expierence extreme cold conditions, but in California where it seems to be fast and firm most of the time I just don't see any need or reason for them.

So you are not against synthetic tracks completely or absolutely. We seem to hold the same viewpoint.

How long do you think it will take before SA new dirt track is considered reliable and settled?

MaTH716 · #4 10-20-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

So you are not against synthetic tracks completely or absolutely. We seem to hold the same viewpoint.

How long do you think it will take before SA new dirt track is considered reliable and settled?

I feel like that there are needed/good idea at some tracks who want to conduct racing during the winter. So there is a place in the sport for them.

My main gripe is the way that they were implemented in California. I think all fans of the sport would accept them more if there was some sort of concrete proof that the surfaces are safer for the horses. That's what the purpose was supposed to be, safety. But that really doesn't seem like the case. So the whole California circuit was made to jump through hoops for no reason, costing them money to change surfaces and possible lose buisness from gamblers who refuse to bet horses that run on the stuff. Not to mention the days lost because of drainage and other problems.

As far as the new surface goes, I really want to believe that they will get it right the first time.

Riot · #5 10-20-2010, 02:14 PM

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As far as the new surface goes, I really want to believe that they will get it right the first time

It will be mixed to specification (they had a hard time finding the type of dirt they wanted, but I think they have now) but it will still have to "settle in".

I think it will change continuously over the first season or three (as it picks up moisture, is worked, etc), but we'll see. I doubt the way it plays the first month or two is the way it will play forever.

Dahoss · #6 10-20-2010, 02:20 PM

How many elite races are run on synthetics in other parts of the world? Aside from the braintrust in Dubai, who could phuck up a wet dream, what other country runs their elite races on synthetic?

Before anyone says Canada, they don't have a single grade 1 race run on their main track.

Cannon Shell · #7 10-20-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

How many elite races are run on synthetics in other parts of the world? Aside from the braintrust in Dubai, who could phuck up a wet dream, what other country runs their elite races on synthetic?

Before anyone says Canada, they don't have a single grade 1 race run on their main track.

Queens Plate?

chucklestheclown · #8 10-20-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I feel like that there are needed/good idea at some tracks who want to conduct racing during the winter. So there is a place in the sport for them.

My main gripe is the way that they were implemented in California. I think all fans of the sport would accept them more if there was some sort of concrete proof that the surfaces are safer for the horses. That's what the purpose was supposed to be, safety. But that really doesn't seem like the case. So the whole California circuit was made to jump through hoops for no reason, costing them money to change surfaces and possible lose buisness from gamblers who refuse to bet horses that run on the stuff. Not to mention the days lost because of drainage and other problems.

As far as the new surface goes, I really want to believe that they will get it right the first time.

I have to admit I did not read the editorial (really an opinion piece) until just now. It is not about synthetics, except as a metaphor, IMO. Did you read it yet?

MaTH716 · #9 10-21-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

I have to admit I did not read the editorial (really an opinion piece) until just now. It is not about synthetics, except as a metaphor, IMO. Did you read it yet?

My comments were not related in any way to the article. I was purely responding to the questions/comments of Riot.

chucklestheclown · #10 10-20-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think you answered your own question. These surfaces were basically jammed down everyone's throat, without any kind of credible basis. Then they have trouble with the surfaces (at some tracks) because of rain (and according to you they also had to be tweaked due to heat and humidity). It's been said here a million times, you would think that "all weather track", would mean that the track could handle all weather. And you still don't understand why many in the community haven't embraced synthetic surfaces?

Anyone who would think that is a moron.