And to pick up from where Zenyatta is leaving off...

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Who else is there?

That's what they said when Cuvee went off favored...

Why is AZ Warrior all the rage? Doesn't she simply boost the form of the Del Mar Debutante?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

That's what they said when Cuvee went off favored...

Why is AZ Warrior all the rage? Doesn't she simply boost the form of the Del Mar Debutante?

Not on dirt... She exploded IMO, and is clearly a dirt horse. That division is HORRIBLE. The Pletcher who won at the Spa is the best, and shes OUT.

[Dahoss]

I'll take R Heat Lightning in the rematch in the Breeders Cup.

I also think it might be a bit premature to award Uncle Mo BC Juvy winner. He's very talented and the division is weak at the moment, but if he gets hooked early, that last 1/16th, with his first try going two turns might be interesting.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'll take R Heat Lightning in the rematch in the Breeders Cup.

I also think it might be a bit premature to award Uncle Mo BC Juvy winner. He's very talented and the division is weak at the moment, but if he gets hooked early, that last 1/16th, with his first try going two turns might be interesting.

I think the minor trouble RHL had did not affect the outcome. Garcia was toying around late. Is it not logical that AZ is just a dirt horse, and she might be ok?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think the minor trouble RHL had did not affect the outcome. Garcia was toying around late. Is it not logical that AZ is just a dirt horse, and she might be ok?

Who said it effected the outcome? AZ is obviously better on dirt. I just think R Heat Lightning will finish in front of her in the BC.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Who said it effected the outcome? AZ is obviously better on dirt. I just think R Heat Lightning will finish in front of her in the BC.

I know its weeks out, but do you see anyone else? Is it me, or so far is the division HORRIBLE?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know its weeks out, but do you see anyone else? Is it me, or so far is the division HORRIBLE?

I don't ever remember seeing so few good 2 year olds. Maybe that is a good thing. I thought the Pletcher horse that ran 2nd in the Breeders Futurity at Keeneland is okay, but he's still a maiden and probably wants turf.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'll take R Heat Lightning in the rematch in the Breeders Cup.

I also think it might be a bit premature to award Uncle Mo BC Juvy winner. He's very talented and the division is weak at the moment, but if he gets hooked early, that last 1/16th, with his first try going two turns might be interesting.

I think him getting hooked is a non sequitur here. He went pretty fast early the other day but was well within himself. If someone else guns for the lead, I just don't see him having a problem rating back a little bit.

He also finishes strongly. His first two races remind me of Barbaro's first two races as well.

My favorite type of horse is one that has great early speed and then can pull away late.

Normally I would hate backing a horse with two starts in the BC, but when you have a really talented horse going up against a pretty poor division, well, that's an exception.

Much like Indian Blessing and Brocco.

Though with Brocco I was taking a big stand against the hot Eastern horse that year.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I think him getting hooked is a non sequitur here.

I think you would think differently if his sire was someone else.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think you would think differently if his sire was someone else.

Not really.

I felt this way about Barbaro, and he was sired by Dynaformer! Yuck.

The only way his being sired by IC has affected my reaction or impression of Mo is that I'm not surprised by how good he's looked.

I was pretty level headed with Indian Blessing after all. That was before I was on here, but I saw IB entered in a msw at DMR. When she was scratched with the intent of going to a msw at Saratoga, I told DrugS that she was almost certainly going to be the BC 2yo filly winner that year. She had insane works and was the first IC runner I'd seen to that point that wasn't out of a nickel claimer mare or out of a mare that was unraced. That Baffert was going to fly her 3000 miles to avoid that godawful DMR track had to mean something significant.

While I was a fan of that filly, after her first two starts, I didn't think she was nearly as good as most other people did.

She went 3 for 3 as a 2yo filly winning the BC and was named champion that year. I actually lowered my opinion of her after each start.

So, while my initial expectations of her were admittedly a bit overly optimistic, I was pretty rational about her once she actually raced.

Most of the time when I start talking up IC or one of his progeny, I'm poking some fun at PG1985 and his totally out of control obsession with Giants Causeway. I embellish somewhat to that end.

That all being said however, IC was one of the single most awesomely talented horses I've ever seen. His first four races are better than any other horses first four races that I can ever remember. That is in my time watching horses that is.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He went pretty fast early the other day but was well within himself. If someone else guns for the lead, I just don't see him having a problem rating back a little bit.

He also finishes strongly.

Reminds me of comments made regarding Conveyance a little less than a year ago.

Hopefully there are no Endorsement-types in the BC this year.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Reminds me of comments made regarding Conveyance a little less than a year ago.

Hopefully there are no Endorsement-types in the BC this year.

I never seriously considered Conveyance a major triple crown threat (by TC, I mean any of the three races). I thought perhaps he could get the lead and steal it, but that clearly was never going to happen with the amount of speed being aimed at the derby.

If I ever did say anything like this about Conveyance, which I'm pretty sure I did not, I said it in jest.

Was I routing for him though? Yep.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Was I routing for him though? Yep.

Given his two-turn efforts, it probably would have been better if you routed for him.