No Food Stamps For Soda

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey you called me obese and say that I should accept it. I call you stupid and believe that you should accept it.

The stance that you have taken is directly opposite of personal responsibility. Accepting welfare and dictating what foods or drinks one decides to use with that welfare are not inclusive of each other. You aren't "incentivizing bad behavior", you are trying to intrude into peoples lives. Drinking soda is not bad behavior regardless of how you spin it.

Chuck, you are considered obese? It is not a personal shot because we are discussing obesity here. You would be the first to admit it is a personal decision you have made....I see what you are saying but the fact is people are not being responsible. 30 years ago, the obesity problem was not an epidemic. Today it is. Therefore, and especially when kids are involved, we can and should mandate that something that contributes towards obesity shouldn't be allowed when it is tax payer funded.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Chuck, you are considered obese? It is not a personal shot because we are discussing obesity here. You would be the first to admit it is a personal decision you have made....I see what you are saying but the fact is people are not being responsible. 30 years ago, the obesity problem was not an epidemic. Today it is. Therefore, and especially when kids are involved, we can and should mandate that something that contributes towards obesity shouldn't be allowed when it is tax payer funded.

You are right. I can always exercise more and eat healthier and become less obese. You on the other hand were seemingly born stupid and despite your best efforts remain that way.

And you are right, people are not being responsible so we should definitely have govt mandates that we be more responsible. Maybe we can publicly flog fat people and shame them into losing weight if banning everything doesn't work? Of course many of the people who would be on board with something like this are also supporters of the "2+2=5 is right" and "every kid gets a trophy" programs which foster everything BUT personal responsibility.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are right. I can always exercise more and eat healthier and become less obese. You on the other hand were seemingly born stupid and despite your best efforts remain that way.

And you are right, people are not being responsible so we should definitely have govt mandates that we be more responsible. Maybe we can publicly flog fat people and shame them into losing weight if banning everything doesn't work? Of course many of the people who would be on board with something like this are also supporters of the "2+2=5 is right" and "every kid gets a trophy" programs which foster everything BUT personal responsibility.

Again, why you being obese makes me stupid is beyond me?...It hardly makes you a bad person or alone. But damn if you aren't touchy about it...if you were comfortable with that choice, you would think you wouldn't be.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Again, why you being obese makes me stupid is beyond me?...It hardly makes you a bad person or alone. But damn if you aren't touchy about it...if you were comfortable with that choice, you would think you wouldn't be.

My weight is not related to your stupidity. I am in fact completely comfortable with my weight. What I am not comfortable is allowing putz's like you to take free shots at me under the guise of discussing the topic.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

My weight is not related to your stupidity. I am in fact completely comfortable with my weight. What I am not comfortable is allowing putz's like you to take free shots at me under the guise of discussing the topic.

It is not a shot. I love my fat relatives as much as my skinny ones. It's beyond me that fat people choose to play the victim. Again, someone who is obese is unsurprisingly not going to support this kind of thing....A better question since you have now polluted this thread beyond repair....Are you in favor of universal health care?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

It is not a shot. I love my fat relatives as much as my skinny ones. It's beyond me that fat people choose to play the victim. Again, someone who is obese is unsurprisingly not going to support this kind of thing....A better question since you have now polluted this thread beyond repair....Are you in favor of universal health care?

It is beyond me why you can't comprehend that this essentially isn't a health issue. You injecting assumptions about me into every discussion is not only tiresome but insulting. You think that because I am a horse trainer that I have a biased take on the NJ situation is laughable. That you would think I would argue against the banning of soda for food stamp recipients because I am in your words 'obese', is reprehnsible. You know for a fact that you wouldn't say that to my face if we ever were to discuss this in person. So why should you be allowed to take shots at me on a discussion forum? My profession and my weight have zero to do with my ability to discuss topics.

What you call 'polluted' is actually dissenting opinion.

I am not in favor of universal healthcare until I see a system that will not only provide quality care but be properly funded as well. As it stands neither will occur.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is beyond me why you can't comprehend that this essentially isn't a health issue. You injecting assumptions about me into every discussion is not only tiresome but insulting. You think that because I am a horse trainer that I have a biased take on the NJ situation is laughable. That you would think I would argue against the banning of soda for food stamp recipients because I am in your words 'obese', is reprehnsible. You know for a fact that you wouldn't say that to my face if we ever were to discuss this in person. So why should you be allowed to take shots at me on a discussion forum? My profession and my weight have zero to do with my ability to discuss topics.

What you call 'polluted' is actually dissenting opinion.

I am not in favor of universal healthcare until I see a system that will not only provide quality care but be properly funded as well. As it stands neither will occur.

So calling someone stupid b/c you disagree with them is ok, but calling someone obese, in the context of a state trying to lower the obesity rate, is wrong? Interesting how that works....Your profession and weight do in fact have something to do with the threads you want to discuss. That is why you went into XYZ thread to begin with. Obviously, anyone of any profession is influenced by their life experiences. To think otherwise is naive....And since I practice what I preach I have actual experience with the largest food bank in the United States since I have volunteered there each of the last 5 years. And you know what? You can get soda there. You know why, b/c it was donated. The government isn't providing it, people are. I bring whatever I can bring when I go, but I can't understand wanting to donate something unhealthy to those in need.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Again, why you being obese makes me stupid is beyond me?...It hardly makes you a bad person or alone. But damn if you aren't touchy about it...if you were comfortable with that choice, you would think you wouldn't be.

you're not stupid.

You're just a moron.

[GenuineRisk]

head/desk

No one is banning soda. NY is just saying you can't buy soda with government money. People can buy all the soda they want; they just may not be able to use government money to do so.

If this passes. The reason soda was not excluded before is that the corn industry has a lot of power. Far more than poor people. The corn industry will be the biggest opponent to this because poor people using government money to buy soda makes them money.

While we're on the subject, soda is already ridiculously inexpensive because of the vast subsidies the government gives to corn. So we're all drinking soda already on the taxpayers' dime. And those who don't drink it are subsidizing those who do.

I believe the proposed restriction applies to beverages with more than 10 calories per ounce. So diet soda is still purchasable with government money.

And Randall, I do enjoy your political posts, but saying you're opposed to universal health care because some people make poor lifestyle choices is a wee bit silly, don't you think? Please explain how childhood leukemia is due to poor lifestyle choices. Or MS. Or Type 1 diabetes. Or breast cancer. Or brain cancer or stomach cancer or most kinds of cancer. Or autism or cerebral palsy or getting hit by a drunk driver or catching pneumonia or falling on an icy street or...

[clyde]

I only disagree,because you are so pre-tee.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I believe the proposed restriction applies to beverages with more than 10 calories per ounce. So diet soda is still purchasable with government money.

And Randall, I do enjoy your political posts, but saying you're opposed to universal health care because some people make poor lifestyle choices is a wee bit silly, don't you think? Please explain how childhood leukemia is due to poor lifestyle choices. Or MS. Or Type 1 diabetes. Or breast cancer. Or brain cancer or stomach cancer or most kinds of cancer. Or autism or cerebral palsy or getting hit by a drunk driver or catching pneumonia or falling on an icy street or...

Obesity and Type 2 Diabetes can be fought with better choices by a consumer. I don't have a problem with people on food stamps having to buy more healthy stuff with it. It's not big brother. It's called Universal Healthcare, and those getting food stamps will most likely not be opting out for private healthcare. My question is whether fruit juice is all that more healthy than soda.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

head/desk

No one is banning soda. NY is just saying you can't buy soda with government money. People can buy all the soda they want; they just may not be able to use government money to do so.

If this passes. The reason soda was not excluded before is that the corn industry has a lot of power. Far more than poor people. The corn industry will be the biggest opponent to this because poor people using government money to buy soda makes them money.

While we're on the subject, soda is already ridiculously inexpensive because of the vast subsidies the government gives to corn. So we're all drinking soda already on the taxpayers' dime. And those who don't drink it are subsidizing those who do.

I believe the proposed restriction applies to beverages with more than 10 calories per ounce. So diet soda is still purchasable with government money.

And Randall, I do enjoy your political posts, but saying you're opposed to universal health care because some people make poor lifestyle choices is a wee bit silly, don't you think? Please explain how childhood leukemia is due to poor lifestyle choices. Or MS. Or Type 1 diabetes. Or breast cancer. Or brain cancer or stomach cancer or most kinds of cancer. Or autism or cerebral palsy or getting hit by a drunk driver or catching pneumonia or falling on an icy street or...

Someone who enjoys my political posts! I thought everyone thought I was the antichrist here?....As for your last paragraph Nicole I agree with you. The problem is there should be a distinction between an illness you get b/c of lifestyle choices and ones you are unlucky to get....People who have never smoked a cigarette can and do get lung cancer. The problem is, 90% or more of the cases are people who got it b/c they chose a habit....


Thank God you are able to see how the soda issue is different b/c it is government money. There is hope around here after all.