Secretariat Vs. Spectacular Bid

#1 10-09-2006, 07:11 PM

I've researched it myself, and always felt the same way about the Bid.
I don't care what flak I take, he was the best horse who ever looked through a bridle, just like his trainer said.

#2 10-09-2006, 07:12 PM

One other thing, his 1:57 was 20 lengths better than the "wonderhorse" everyone is so hyped up about. Bernadini couldn't have gotten Spectacular Bid into a sweat, he would have disposed of him like a dirty diaper.

Cannon Shell · #3 10-09-2006, 07:15 PM

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One other thing, his 1:57 was 20 lengths better than the "wonderhorse" everyone is so hyped up about. Bernadini couldn't have gotten Spectacular Bid into a sweat, he would have disposed of him like a dirty diaper.

Comparing raw times on different coasts 26 years apart is not really very scientific is it?

#4 10-09-2006, 07:18 PM

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Comparing raw times on different coasts 26 years apart is not really very scientific is it?

No its not, but I believe I read data by one of the sheet companies(TG or Rag) who said he was incredible, and faster than Secretariat.
1:57, even if run DOWNHILL on concrete is damn fast.
How many lengths do you figure ole Bid woulda beat a horse like Wanderin Boy by?

#5 10-09-2006, 07:19 PM

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No its not, but I believe I read data by one of the sheet companies(TG or Rag) who said he was incredible, and faster than Secretariat.
1:57, even if run DOWNHILL on concrete is damn fast.
How many lengths do you figure ole Bid woulda beat a horse like Wanderin Boy by?

About 25 lengths.

#6 10-09-2006, 07:19 PM

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About 25 lengths.

Only 25? I was thinking 30-40.

#7 10-09-2006, 07:22 PM

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Only 25? I was thinking 30-40.

Depends on how much Shoemaker had to drink the night before.

Cannon Shell · #8 10-09-2006, 07:20 PM

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No its not, but I believe I read data by one of the sheet companies(TG or Rag) who said he was incredible, and faster than Secretariat.
1:57, even if run DOWNHILL on concrete is damn fast.
How many lengths do you figure ole Bid woulda beat a horse like Wanderin Boy by?

He might stll be able to beat him!!!

randallscott35 · #9 10-09-2006, 07:21 PM

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No its not, but I believe I read data by one of the sheet companies(TG or Rag) who said he was incredible, and faster than Secretariat.
1:57, even if run DOWNHILL on concrete is damn fast.
How many lengths do you figure ole Bid woulda beat a horse like Wanderin Boy by?

Lol, yes its not fair that Bernie has not met the top boys yet, but again Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's are just plain patsies. Do it in the Cup against the best. Then we can talk.

Cannon Shell · #10 10-09-2006, 07:23 PM

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Lol, yes its not fair that Bernie has not met the top boys yet, but again Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's are just plain patsies. Do it in the Cup against the best. Then we can talk.

All this talk of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid makes you realize that "the best" aint really very good anymore.

#11 10-09-2006, 07:25 PM

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All this talk of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid makes you realize that "the best" aint really very good anymore.

I think thats kinda the point Randall is making, and if hes not I am.
Just read the pages and pages of glorification that a horse who beats Wanderin Boy and Andromeda's hero gets. Its a sick joke. yeah he can run, hes really good, no doubt. But great? Hes beaten injured horses with easy trips in small fields in not brilliant times. I'm sorry but mentioning him as a great really defames horses like Bid, Slew, Secretariat, Affirmed, etc. This is a travesty.

randallscott35 · #12 10-09-2006, 07:25 PM

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All this talk of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid makes you realize that "the best" aint really very good anymore.

Excellent point.

Danzig · #13 10-09-2006, 07:51 PM

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All this talk of Secretariat and Spectacular Bid makes you realize that "the best" aint really very good anymore.

someone...finley maybe?...wrote after GZ retired that 'great isn't so great anymore'. he was right. we're in the 'modern' era now. and it stinks. don't have many sportsman or women anymore--it's all business. and business is booming, but stars are scarce.

#14 10-09-2006, 07:42 PM

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How many lengths do you figure ole Bid woulda beat a horse like Wanderin Boy by?

Why dwell on the hypothetical ... when we have an actual margin of victory to ponder?

Have you ever heard of the horse who won a G1 Classic by 31 lengths?

Hint: His name wasn't Spectacular Bid.

randallscott35 · #15 10-09-2006, 07:44 PM

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Why dwell on the hypothetical ... when we have an actual margin of victory to ponder?

Have you ever heard of the horse who won a G1 Classic by 31 lengths?

Hint: His name wasn't Spectacular Bid.

Actually how many lengths does it take to win wire to wire and never have anyone behind you? B/c Spec Bid has a walkover, did Sec have one of those. What is that 300 lengths? I'm not good at math, don't teach that.

#16 10-09-2006, 07:45 PM

In arguing these two GREATS, has it occurred to anyone that labeling Bern in the same category is absolute insanity?

randallscott35 · #17 10-09-2006, 07:19 PM

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Comparing raw times on different coasts 26 years apart is not really very scientific is it?

Maybe not, but if the number has held up for 26 years, there has to be something to it, not unlike the fact that Sec. number in the Belmont has stood the test of time.

Cannon Shell · #18 10-09-2006, 07:21 PM

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Maybe not, but if the number has held up for 26 years, there has to be something to it, not unlike the fact that Sec. number in the Belmont has stood the test of time.

157 is an impressive number

#19 10-09-2006, 07:23 PM

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157 is an impressive number

That one never gets beat on dirt, NEVER!!!!

#20 10-09-2006, 07:44 PM

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157 is an impressive number

It was 1:57 4/5.