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Old 08-16-2010, 02:12 PM
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Well, yes, agreed on that last point. I just think grounding a club in a hazard is a dumb rule in the first place.
they almost did the same thing with tiger on saturday or friday (dont remember which day I saw it)

He hit into the rough, and there were some worn down areas of dirt / sand.. just little 6 inch patches, grass all around it though.

The official spent 5 minutes deciding if it was in a sand trap or not. Yes a 6 inch sand trap!

Turns out they decided it was not a trap so Tiger could ground his club.

Too bad the official that was with Dustins group didnt just speak up.. or Dustin should have asked.. but I guess you have other things on your mind when you are leading the PGA championship on the 72nd hole.
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Old 08-16-2010, 03:10 PM
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If you were able to ground your club in the bunker you would be able to improve your lie.
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Old 08-16-2010, 03:36 PM
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Grounding your club in a bunker would potentially allow you the advantage of knowing how firm or soft the sand is, as well as how deep.

From an article at ESPN.com, rules official David Price knew Johnson was in a bunker when he hit his 2nd shot, he was just unaware Johnson had grounded his club.

"Price said he went up to Johnson as he was preparing to hit his second shot and asked him if he needed anything. Johnson replied that he needed the crowd moved to the right, so Price went to make sure that was being done and then waited on the fairway. He never saw Johnson ground his club.

But Price had dealt with two other questions from Johnson or his caddie about bunkers the previous few holes. On No. 14, Johnson hit into an area just past a bunker and asked if he could take some practice swings for that shot in the bunker. Since the ball wasn't in the bunker, Price told him he could. Then, on No. 16, Johnson's caddie asked if he could remove some stones near the ball. Price told him they were in a bunker and by rule they can move loose impediments as long as the golf ball doesn't move. But there was no doubt to Price that Johnson was in a bunker.

"All he had to do was ask," Price said. "He'd asked me before that. He'd been in a bunch of bunkers. You don't remind a player on every hole that you can't ground your club."

Price said the bunker on No. 18 that Johnson was in was formed like many other bunkers on the course.

"It was a rather small one, but it was an area that had been dug out and filled with sand," Price said. "The only thing that made it different than previous bunkers is that he hit the ball so far offline, it was in a bunker that had been trampled down instead of one that was finely raked. We told players on the information we gave them that all sand on the course was considered a hazard, even if there were footprints or tire marks."

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Old 08-16-2010, 04:11 PM
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Grounding your club in a bunker would potentially allow you the advantage of knowing how firm or soft the sand is, as well as how deep.
my bunker routine:

open up stance, open up club face

close my eyes, swing down on it, full follow-through & pray!
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:21 PM
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Grounding your club in a bunker would potentially allow a player to improve a lie, but wouldn't ground your club, well, anywhere on the course potentially allow a player to improve a lie? Moreover, if a player is hitting the ball from, say, the fairway, and grounding their club moves the ball, isn't the player subject to a penalty anyway? It's a stupid rule.
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Old 08-16-2010, 05:25 PM
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Grounding your club in a bunker would potentially allow a player to improve a lie, but wouldn't ground your club, well, anywhere on the course potentially allow a player to improve a lie? Moreover, if a player is hitting the ball from, say, the fairway, and grounding their club moves the ball, isn't the player subject to a penalty anyway? It's a stupid rule.
There is nothing wrong with the rule it has been in existence forever. Knowing the depth or consistency of the sand is a huge advantage to pro golfers. The PGA erred by not considering the bunkers, outside the ropes, waste areas. That is what they did in 2004 and there were no major issues.
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Old 08-17-2010, 02:02 AM
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my bunker routine:

open up stance, open up club face

close my eyes, swing down on it, full follow-through & pray!
That bunker routine is ok when you're in a greenside bunker. You don't to do that in a fairway bunker. If you have a decent lie in a fairway bunker, you would not want to open your stance and you would not want to open the club face. You would not want to hit down on the ball either. You'd want to play the shot just like you would play a shot from the fairway and you would want to make sure that you hit the ball first (unlike a greenside bunker where you would hit well behind the ball).
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