Bernardini IS

kentuckyrosesinmay · #1 10-08-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Offs. If the horse is what we've been waiting for for so long then why hasn't he been setting track and race records? It's not like he's had to deal with a 12 horse field and face traffic trouble. Yes he's a great horse but you two are acting like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

There are still questions and they're going to be answered but this know-it-all attitude is getting borderline retarded. The way some people are going overboard about this horse the BCC might as well be cancelled. He's already won it!

Well, his times are great, he is improving, and his best is yet to come. When a three year old that has been so dominate all year long goes out there and beats older horses like he did, then the horse is GREAT.

I expect to see the same results in the BC Classic.

And yes, he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. LOL.

#2 10-08-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Well, his times are great, he is improving, and his best is yet to come. When a three year old that has been so dominate all year long goes out there and beats older horses like he did, then the horse is GREAT.

I expect to see the same results in the BC Classic.

And yes, he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. LOL.

He beat three horses. Wow.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #3 10-08-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He beat three horses. Wow.

He beat Wanderin Boy, who Invasor was all out to beat in the Pimlico Special. Bernardini ran by WB quite easily after he let WB set slow early fractions. Of course, the Pimlico Special wasn't quite as long as the JCGC.

#4 10-08-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He beat Wanderin Boy, who Invasor was all out to beat in the Pimlico Special. Bernardini ran by WB quite easily after he let WB set slow early fractions. Of course, the Pimlico Special wasn't quite as long as the JCGC.

Actually the second quarter was pretty brisk because he was feeling the pressure of a greater steed to his outside.

I just have questions about his ability to handle late pressure. He might not face it in the BCC but IF Lava Man ships and doesn't throw in a clunker, then you'll definitely see an epic battle between the two. I've been a doubter of LM but he really showed me something yesterday and he's got me excited about the BCC. It's not Bernardini's to lose now.

ateamstupid · #5 10-08-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Actually the second quarter was pretty brisk because he was feeling the pressure of a greater steed to his outside.

I just have questions about his ability to handle late pressure. He might not face it in the BCC but IF Lava Man ships and doesn't throw in a clunker, then you'll definitely see an epic battle between the two. I've been a doubter of LM but he really showed me something yesterday and he's got me excited about the BCC. It's not Bernardini's to lose now.

So wait. Lava Man "really showed you something" in beating BROTHER DEREK at nine furlongs by 2 1/4 under urging, but Bernardini beating Wanderin Boy by 6 3/4 at ten panels in a gallop was nothing? Way to go.

#6 10-08-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So wait. Lava Man "really showed you something" in beating BROTHER DEREK at nine furlongs by 2 1/4 under urging, but Bernardini beating Wanderin Boy by 6 3/4 at ten panels in a gallop was nothing? Way to go.

In a handicap where he's giving 9lbs hell yes he showed me something. And i'll take a horse that fights to win over one that hasn't been looked in the eye or asked down the stretch anyday. Especially when the odds will be much better with the proven fighter.

ateamstupid · #7 10-08-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

In a handicap where he's giving 9lbs hell yes he showed me something. And i'll take a horse that fights to win over one that hasn't been looked in the eye or asked down the stretch anyday. Especially when the odds will be much better with the proven fighter.

Whose fault is it that Bernardini never gets looked in the eye, when Lava Man is life and death to beat the vaunted Brother Derek, Magnum, Super Frolic triumverate over and over again? Should Bernardini slow down and look horses in the eye like Seabiscuit? It's hilarious. You're criticizing him for being too fast. I'm sure if Bernardini had "looked in the eye" of Wanderin Boy or Bluegrass Cat or Sweetnorthernsaint and "fought to win," you'd all be praising him, right? Bull****. Everyone would be on their "he struggled to win" high horse. All this ****ing west coast horse does is beat up on the same tired nags all year long, and you want to give him more credit because he's a "fighter"? How about he's just slower than Bernardini? You really think Bernardini would've had to be urged to beat Brother Derek by 2 1/4?

Danzig · #8 10-08-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So wait. Lava Man "really showed you something" in beating BROTHER DEREK at nine furlongs by 2 1/4 under urging, but Bernardini beating Wanderin Boy by 6 3/4 at ten panels in a gallop was nothing? Way to go.

lava has continued to run and win all year. a lot of people thought he might not win based on closer races earlier this year, and now going 10f while carrying 126 and giving weight. as scuds pointed out in his post yesterday, that might mean the difference. it didn't. was also bro dereks first loss at that track i believe.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #9 10-08-2006, 02:23 PM

It is Bernardini's race to lose at this point, but I will admit that Lava Man is a very, very good horse as well. I have nothing but good to say about LM. He is my favorite horse running right now besides Bernie. However, I don't think that Lava Man is in the same league as Bernie. In fact, I don't think any horse can run with Bernie in the world right now at a mile and a quarter. It wouldn't surprise me if LM finished out the exacta in the BC Classic though. Bernie is so fast that he just blows by his opponents. IMO, Lava Man won't ever see him coming.

VictoryGallop · #10 10-08-2006, 02:16 PM

I think this is a very nice horse and he ran a nice race in the preakness. That was his last real race, he has faced small fields and some nice horses. I await the classic when he has to run in a race where there are more than five horses and is a quality field. He is NOT Barbaro !!!!!

Danzig · #11 10-08-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VictoryGallop

I think this is a very nice horse and he ran a nice race in the preakness. That was his last real race, he has faced small fields and some nice horses. I await the classic when he has to run in a race where there are more than five horses and is a quality field. He is NOT Barbaro !!!!!

no, he's not barbaro. but he's DEFINITELY bernardini. they're both good, and neither should be put down in order to lift the other.
i thought the post where someone wrote 'barbaro who?' was in poor taste.

Danzig · #12 10-08-2006, 02:15 PM

when, if, bernardini wins the bcc, than i might compare him to the best of the last 30 years. but some of those who are on that list beat other great horses to get there! bernardini is no affirmed, since he has had no alydar to beat, the older horses he defeated saturday are not the same caliber as those that ap indy beat in the classic. heck, they aren't even of the calibre that henny beat yesterday! mr hughes beat the reigning bc sprint winner, among others, and on that ones 'home' track.

secretariat had sham, and then fort marcy, affirmed had his alydar, sunday silence his easy goer (and vice versa!)...a great horse, a true great, beats the best--it's why damascus' victory over buckpasser and dr fager is considered the race of the century. don't have the competition to beat, than you beat the clock.
gz had a lot of detractors til after the bcc-his first at that distance, and won in style over the best, and with the stakes record to boot.

henny had a heck of a race. so did lava man for that matter! i can imagine the scathing remarks had lava man met and defeated the type of field that bernardini met!!

lol
and now i'll be called a 'hater'. can't have any discussion about this horse without being put in box 'a' or box 'b'.

Danzig · #13 10-08-2006, 02:32 PM

all the top horses dodge each other. all of them want only one chance to lose, and that's in the classic.

SentToStud · #14 10-08-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

While I am not ready to annoint him one of the greatest, he is coming within reach. Look, his last few you are all right, he has run against mediocre fields, but this is because people are dodging him, the ultimate show of respect in horse racing. Look at the last two weeks in the handicap division. Indiana Derby, Hawthorne Gold Cup, Pegasus, Kentucky Cup Classic, Goodwood and next week the Meadowlands Cup. It's not like the horses aren't there, they just don't want to run against Bernardini. What does that tell you?

Tells me that Zito is a pretty sharp guy, getting 2d and 3d yesterday and picking up about a quarter million dollars or so for his owners from a race neither horse had a shot in hell of winning.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Bernardini having a tough challenge or overcome a bit of trouble.

Sightseek · #15 10-08-2006, 02:40 PM

The competition Bernardini faced yesterday may have been weak, but I think anyone who was there yesterday knew we were seeing something special.